Thread: Terror in Delhi.Serial blasts.20 confirmed dead so far.

It is unfortunate.

Anger is but natural, but let us be calm.

Let us await official confirmation as to who was behind it.

The Government has said it was not an accident.

Further, BBC has said that Indians have resilience and hence would still go about their business and with the festival.

The Chief Minister of Delhi has requested people to return to their homes and not be at crowded places.

Very unfortunate, but then that is how things happen.

I have no quibble with the $ 2.5 million given by India to Pakistan even if this was the handiwork of the Islamic terrorists from Pakistan. We must remember that the people of POK require help. Let us not forget to be humane to people in distress. Why should we be like them?

You cannot expect RAW to be able to stop every single terror attack, so many times, RAW have stopped attacks in Delhi, I can expect Pakistan however to close down Jehadi training camps in its territory so that the Jehadis can stop blowing my country and killing civilians during peak shopping season, why this is not too much to ask me thinks.

The actual problem is that with all this Indo Pak talks (which is a correct thing though) and the brouhaha over the Pakistanis visiting India and vice versa, the caution that should have been there, in both the citizens and the government, seems to have diminished.

I normally don't go out to public places from a few days before the start of a festival. I rather have the shopping done (if required) before the festival even if bargains are missed. I rather not have a bargain at the cost of bargaining my life and family.

The problem is that we Indians are very complacent and we love a bargain and the fun of haggling!

Originally Posted by Samudra

The bastards shall pay.

Why stike before Diwali ?
Because it is a Hindu festival

Its not only Diwali but also eid time.

The main part is that this time the official machinery didnt come out with the usual ranting of blaming "ISI" seconds after the blast,but they said they are waiting for the reports to come by.Thats good improvement.

Jihadis are really pissed of at the goodwill indian and pakistani machinery has mutually earned,that they might have decided to throw in the spanner.

Yes, Id is due too.

But the Moslems live in Chandni Chowk and old Delhi.

No blast there.

In so far as "the ISI to blame" cry not being there, it is because India does not whish to derail the talks with Pakistan.

Now, if you find that this type of a commentary, then obviously one gets worried that it could be the Islamic terrorists at work.

Dr Naik is a respected commentator on Islam. I watch him on QTV and while I do not always think he has a point, he is very eloquent.

By Ali Sina

2005/10/22

I found the following paragraph in irf.net, the official site of Dr. Zakir Naik. This is what he teaches to his students:

“5. Every Muslim should be a terrorist

Every Muslim should be a terrorist. A terrorist is a person who causes terror. The moment a robber sees a policeman he is terrified. A policeman is a terrorist for the robber. Similarly every Muslim should be a terrorist for the antisocial elements of society, such as thieves, dacoits and rapists. Whenever such an anti-social element sees a Muslim, he should be terrified. It is true that the word ‘terrorist’ is generally used for a person who causes terror among the common people. But a true Muslim should only be a terrorist to selective people i.e. anti-social elements, and not to the common innocent people. In fact a Muslim should be a source of peace for innocent people.”

(can be found in the Islamic Research Foundation net)

Dr. Naik claims that the anti-social elements that need to be terrorized by Muslims are the criminals, such as thieves, dacoits and rapists. But isn't it the job of the police to go after the criminals? The police is trained and is paid to catch the criminals. He job is not to terrorize the criminal but to enforce the law. He must respect the human rights of even the suspects. As long a the suspect is not convicted in a court of law, he remains innocent.
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Who gave the authorization to Muslims to take the place of the police, the court, the executioner and terrorize people whom they accuse of crime? Don't we have a penal system to deal with these matters? Should citizens take the law in their own hands? This is in itself against the law. What he is ostensibly proposing here is anarchy. We have a whole structure set in place to deal with criminals. Under what law average citizens can assume the role of the entire legal system? This is insanity!

Furthermore, in every non-Islamic country the rate of crime among Muslims is much higher than the average population. France has a high rate of crime confined mostly to it’s Muslim population. I read somewhere that in Netherlands the rate of the crime has jumped 11% in just one year and it is exclusively because of Muslims. In an article published in Times, Lahor, April 2001, Khaled Ahmed reported that the crime rate among Pakistanis in UK "is higher than in any other community. Fully 2 percent of the prisoners rotting in British jails are Pakistanis, the highest for any one community." In Australia raping the white girls by Muslim youths has become a national problem. What are the excuses of these Muslim rapists? That "in Islamic countries girls don't dress like this!"

It would be naïf to take Dr. Naik's justification of terrorism by its face value. What this snake-oil salesman actually means by anti-social elements are the non-Muslims and those who resist conversion. According to him I would be an anti-social element that has to be killed. Have I committed rape, theft or any crime? I and people like me are considered anti social because we speak our mind and Muslims can't handle that. Are Salman Rushdie and Taslima Nasrin anti-social elements? What about Theo Van Gogh? Was he an anti social element?

After glorifying and justifying terrorism and hyping his students to become terrorists, making them believe this is a divine mandate and a wonderful thing to do, Dr. Naik will then quote the above verses and will explain to his foolhardy alumni that shirk is worse than killing and the unbelievers are worse than thieves, dacoits, rapists and murderers. Therefore it is incumbent upon Muslims, to instill terror in the hearts of non-Muslims and kill them wherever they find them. To determine their innocence or guilt it is enough to ask them whether they want to convert to Islam or not.

Ironically, since according to the Quran, these non-Muslims by rejecting Islam, have committed the worst crime imaginable, their property can be stolen and their wives and daughters can be raped. Thus Muslims who joined Dr. Naiks school to fight the dacoits, BECOME the dacoits, the criminals and the thugs.
http://www.israelforum.com/board/sho...422#post165422

Jihadis are really pissed of at the goodwill indian and pakistani machinery has mutually earned,that they might have decided to throw in the spanner.

I will rather call myself a lunatic and get admitted in a lunatics ashram before I start to believe in such fancy theories of Jihadis acting without their masters consent.

In so far as "the ISI to blame" cry not being there, it is because India does not whish to derail the talks with Pakistan.

Sir,
I wish to believe that we are not blaming anybody(officialy) yet because we are still collecting evidence.

However, is it a great secret ?
I'm sure plans are made to deliver Diwali gifts to the enemy sometime.