Buddhist Monk killed by extremist Islamic group in Southern Thailand

**THL** · 17 Oct 05,, 02:13

Originally Posted by Bulgaroctonus

However, I think the actions did have a point. The terrorists had a reason for doing it, they hoped to achieve something by killing the Buddhist men. Now, its probably not an objective we agree with. The killers probably were trying to decrease the population to non-Muslims in the area, and create an Islamic monopoly of sorts.

Why would they not kill a large group then? Why one at a time?

**Bulgaroctonus** · 17 Oct 05,, 02:20

Originally Posted by TopHatsLiberal

Why would they not kill a large group then? Why one at a time?

I'm sure they would like to, but they don't have the means at the time. Also, the Thai army would probably stop any overt and massive attack on Buddhists. Of course, I could be wrong about my general theory. The Buddhist could have owed the guys money or something. However, it does seem that religious intolerance was behind it.

In the American South, plenty of African-Americans were lynched or shot and their houses were burned. These events happened one-by-one over time. There was never a genocide on blacks. The situation may be similar in Thailand.

**THL** · 17 Oct 05,, 02:26

Originally Posted by Bulgaroctonus

I'm sure they would like to, but they don't have the means at the time. Also, the Thai army would probably stop any overt and massive attack on Buddhists. Of course, I could be wrong about my general theory. The Buddhist could have owed the guys money or something. However, it does seem that religious intolerance was behind it.

In the American South, plenty of African-Americans were lynched or shot and their houses were burned. These events happened one-by-one over time. There was never a genocide on blacks. The situation may be similar in Thailand.

So like a modern day Thai version of the Ku Klux Klan? Wonderful. I hope their robes are at least more colorful.

I do so wish that people could leave eachother alone.

**Bulgaroctonus** · 17 Oct 05,, 02:33

Originally Posted by TopHatsLiberal

So like a modern day Thai version of the Ku Klux Klan? Wonderful. I hope their robes are at least more colorful.

Yes, I think the Ku Klux Klan and Islamic terrorists operate in very similar ways, it is an accurate comparison. Of course, Islamic terrorism poses a greater threat than the KKK ever did, and is more widespread.

Originally Posted by TopHatsLiberal

I do so wish that people could leave eachother alone.

That would be nice.

**667medic** · 17 Oct 05,, 05:52

Well I think that the Thais are quite capable of taking care of this mess. If that is anything that the Thais are passionate about, it is their King and Buddhism. Soon the Jehadi mess in Thailand will meet the same fate as the GAM terrorists in Aceh....

**THL** · 17 Oct 05,, 13:27

Originally Posted by 667medic

Well I think that the Thais are quite capable of taking care of this mess. If that is anything that the Thais are passionate about, it is their King and Buddhism. Soon the Jehadi mess in Thailand will meet the same fate as the GAM terrorists in Aceh....

whether or not they are "capable of taking care" of it is a mute point....there should be nothing to take care of. what kind of point is there to be made by killing innocents living alone in the mountains? it would be different had they killed some rival militant group.

**667medic** · 17 Oct 05,, 14:04

Originally Posted by TopHatsLiberal

whether or not they are "capable of taking care" of it is a mute point....there should be nothing to take care of. what kind of point is there to be made by killing innocents living alone in the mountains? it would be different had they killed some rival militant group.

Well Tophatliberator, the jehadi scum don't understand the logic of reason, there lies the root cause of all the troubles created by them. The Buddhist in Thailand are an epitome of Buddhist benevolence. That an old and venerated monk can have his throat slit simply for following a different faith defies logic. The only way we can help Thailand is by not shunning the beautiful country. IMHO Bush must exert pressure on Malaysia to clamp down on the extremists. The Malaysian province bordering Thailand follows Sharia practices and so extremists elements are pretty well entrenched there. It is also strange that Mahatir Mohammad's rabid voice is missing during sad incidents like this....

**Monk** · 17 Oct 05,, 14:33

You guys have missed the point totally here. Some sort of lack of pragmatism. Did it ever occur to you that the "Islamic" militant could have been planning some sort of theft from the place of worship which the monk was defending or to use the place for some other operation? By "defending", I don't mean physical action but by his presence there. Simply put the Monk and the kids just got in the way.

**THL** · 17 Oct 05,, 14:39

Originally Posted by 667medic

The only way we can help Thailand is by not shunning the beautiful country.

I would never shun the country - or any country for that matter, however....

Originally Posted by medic

IMHO Bush must exert pressure on Malaysia to clamp down on the extremists. The Malaysian province bordering Thailand follows Sharia practices and so extremists elements are pretty well entrenched there.

Bush? Really? I was not aware Bush had a connection to Buddhist monks or Thailand or even Malaysia for that matter.

As saddened as I am by this and as wrong as I think it is, I don't at all think that Bush (and by Bush, I am assuming you do not at all mean George Bush himself, but instead the military that he runs) should run out and keep saving the world. Who assigned the stronger countries to the roles of gatekeepers anyway?

The US is losing soldier after soldier saving everyone else. Would Thailand run to our aid in the same scale as we would run to theirs? Would they even be able to? Probably not. If they could, they could certainly save themselves.

While I am not completely for us being in Iraq, I understand that we are there to try and prevent future problems with that country and not just clean up past ones. It is not the same situation with Thailand. Let's say we were to go in there, fight for the weaker communities and lose 500 soldiers...would Thailand give up 500 of their soldiers for us-to come fight with the US military? Maybe they could just pay us for them? What is the current going rate for the life of a US Soldier, anyway?

US, UK, etc etc - these larger countries cannot save the world. Please don't take what I am saying to sound as though I don't care about the rest of the world because I most certainly do, but we (the stronger countries, not just the US) cannot keep riding in with our batmobiles and rescuing everyone. Eventually, the rescuers will end up in dire need of rescuing themselves.

**Lunatock** · 17 Oct 05,, 17:17

Originally Posted by srirangan

Buddhist Monk killed by extremist Islamic group in Southern Thailand
URL: http://www.india-defence.com/reports/629
Date: 15/10/2005
Agency: Reuters

Suspected Muslim militants killed a Buddhist monk and two teenage boys and set fire to a temple in Thailand's restive south, police said on Sunday, in separatist violence that has claimed more than 900 lives.

The militants who attacked the Buddhist temple in the southern Pattani province late on Saturday had slit the 76-year-old monk's throat, said a police report obtained by Reuters.

The charred bodies of the two teenagers were found in the temple, said the report which did not give details.

A Buddhist farmer was beheaded on Friday, the second decapitation since the Islamic holy month of Ramadan began and 12th in 21 months of unrest in the region.

Although the government has sent 30,000 soldiers and police to the region, where 80 percent of people are Muslim, ethnic Malays, the insurgency appears to be growing.

Booby traps, decoy attacks and ambushes of army and police convoys have become daily occurrences in the densely wooded region, suggesting the anti-Bangkok guerrillas are becoming more sophisticated and inventive.

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Let us assume for argument sake that:
- Israeli Army commits evil crimes in Palestine
- US Army commits evil crimes in Iraq
- Indian Army commits evil crimes in Kashmir
- Russian Army commits evil crimes in Chechnya

What did the peaceful buddhists do? To be politically correct and to not face the truth is to be cowardly and equals the appeasement of the religion of peace.

I can pick out no less than three un-islamic acts by those terrorists.

1. Attacking a place of worship
2. Murdering people who didn't attack them
3. Disrespecting (spec. murdering) an old man.
4. Doing all this during the month of Ramadan.

**Srirangan** · 17 Oct 05,, 17:20

Originally Posted by Lunatock

I can pick out no less than three un-islamic acts by those terrorists.

1. Attacking a place of worship
2. Murdering people who didn't attack them
3. Disrespecting (spec. murdering) an old man.
4. Doing all this during the month of Ramadan.

Mullah: Lunatock, here's a FATWA for you.

**Ray** · 17 Oct 05,, 19:57

Bush? Really? I was not aware Bush had a connection to Buddhist monks or Thailand or even Malaysia for that matter.

THL,

Hey, Bush is not even connected with Iraq!

Did you not know that the Moslems bring the knees on the prayer mats (not saying "hit the prayer mats five times a day" since some Moslems objected to it) not in the aura of Moahmmed but of Bush, assisted by Mush to give the world a Push on the Tush (check the dictionary what is a tush; use an English one!

)

Let me assure you that Bush is concerned even when someone "breaks the wind" in the America Cup!

**THL** · 17 Oct 05,, 20:16

Originally Posted by Ray

THL,

Hey, Bush is not even connected with Iraq!

Did you not know that the Moslems bring the knees on the prayer mats (not saying "hit the prayer mats five times a day" since some Moslems objected to it) not in the aura of Moahmmed but of Bush, assisted by Mush to give the world a Push on the Tush (check the dictionary what is a tush; use an English one!

)

Let me assure you that Bush is concerned even when someone "breaks the wind" in the America Cup!

Lovely analogy, Ray. You are always so colorful with your wording.

**Lugh** · 17 Oct 05,, 20:22

Originally Posted by TopHatsLiberal

Yes, well. I have my own feelings toward the Taliban, but being a lady AND a buddhist I keep them to myself... I have Karma to look after.

In Buddhist teaching, the law of karma, says only this: `for every event that occurs, there will follow another event whose existence was caused by the first, and this second event will be pleasant or unpleasant according as its cause was skillful or unskillful.' A skillful event is one that is not accompanied by craving, resistance or delusions; an unskillful event is one that is accompanied by any one of those things. (Events are not skillful in themselves, but are so called only in virtue of the mental events that occur with them.)

Is keeping your feelings to yourself (a resistance) skillful?

**THL** · 17 Oct 05,, 20:44

Originally Posted by Lugh

In Buddhist teaching, the law of karma, says only this: ` for every event that occurs, there will follow another event whose existence was caused by the first, and this second event will be pleasant or unpleasant according as its cause was skillful or unskillful. ' A skillful event is one that is not accompanied by craving, resistance or delusions; an unskillful event is one that is accompanied by any one of those things. (Events are not skillful in themselves, but are so called only in virtue of the mental events that occur with them.)

Is keeping your feelings to yourself (a resistance) skillful?

Well 1st, even thoughts cause Karma, so my negative thought has already created a negative Karma. I was just making a point to say that I was saving my Karma.

2nd, just to clarify: a "second" unpleasant event may not be a result of a 1st unpleasant event. The unpleasant event #1 may not be the cause until unpleasant event #225. It does not have to go in order.