How about Whabisim?
Arab Nationalism is a political ideology that appears to be dead, and has been for years. Speak to any Arab and you will know that there is a difference between Islamic culture and Arab culture. The two are not synonymous altho Arab society and Islam may be inseparable and much of Arab culture that was acceptable to Islam has become apart of its identity.
Anyway, i personally refuse to put all blame or even the root of the blame for suicide bombings and similar terrorist acts carried out in the name of various Islamic causes on the Arabs.
But this is the unfortunate trend.
You tell me, when a Pakistani turned wanabe Arab adopts the traditional Arab dress, keeps a beard according to Islamic doctrine rather than having a typical Pakistani style fluffy moustache and involves himself in political activism related to issues in West Asia how is any of this the fault of the Arabs? No, it is not their fault. Any responsibility is not on Arabs or so-called Arab culture it is on the individual Pakistani or whoever else that chooses to involve themselves in political issues.
There is a very odd paradox about Pakistanis. You have on one hand the Pakistanis, when talking in terms of history, that their nation, identity and history begins with the Arab armies of Muhammed Bin Qasim in the 8th or 7th century. Some even will give you the impression that typical Pakistani ancestry was fathered by this army and later Turkic and Afghan armies. This if it is their desire to be known as a product of Arab and Central Asian armies is entirely up to them and they know their history better than anyone else.
But then here's the problem, when Pakistanis are involved in West Asian politics and even when Pakistanis have gone further than that in armed struggle or even terrorism and are then caught why is it that now all of a sudden the Pakistanis refuse to accept responsibility for their own actions and wrong doings, why is it that now the fault is placed on the Arabs as being the instigators and negative influence (so-called Arabization) of "Pakistani culture" ? What is "Pakistani culture" anyway if not an off-shoot of their founding Arab fathers?
See, this is the paradox that confuses not just me but every West and Central Asian friend of mine (along with the non-Pakistani Punjabis).
On the one hand the average Pakistani yearns to be recognized as a West or Central Asian with stronger bonds of ethnic and cultural ties to the Arabs, Afghans, Iranis etc than to the subcontinent yet when any negativity is shown on Pakistan or Pakistanis as it relates to Islamic issues they are the first ones to try to alleviate blame from what occurs in their own country or among their own communities and put all blame squarely on peoples like the Arabs.
When will Pakistani society as a whole take responsibly for whatever ills go on among their own and not try to pass over the blame to Arabs or being something that is inspired by Arabs?
It is not just the Pakistani society that displays this absurd paradox. Just look at the government. First, look at the support offered to the Taliban and then how swiftly the gears were reversed at the first sign of trouble. Also take Gen. Musharraf's recent call for removing all 'foreign' students from religious schools in Pakistan, again, an attempt to pass the blame onto other peoples rather than facing and accepting their own problems. As if expelling foreign students is going to change anything. How could it? Does Gen. Musharraf actually think that the foreign students were not coming to learn at these schools but rather to teach in them? As if... Why expel the students, why not go after the ones who are teaching?
Pakistani's get bashed alot by Afghans etc Yes, some is racism, but after following certain issues i am beginning to understand why it is that Pakistan and Pakistanis are resented so much among West/Central Asians. And this time, i will want to see Pakistanis accept that actually they are the ones with the problem, not anyone else.
Its about time Pakistanis took responsibility for themselves. I am not the only one who is tired of seeing every ill in Pakistani society, whether it is terrorism, honor-killings, extremism etc being blamed on Arabs or others.
I hope this is a fair criticism. See the below article for a small example of what im talking about.
Regards,
The Sunday Times - Review
July 31, 2005
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...714764,00.html
Made in Britain
A fatal failure to identify with this nation or the country of their parents turns young Muslims to Islamic extremism, writes Aatish Taseer
It is not hard to imagine what the Leeds suburb of Beeston was like before it became known that three of London’s Tube bombers worked or lived there. For someone like me — a Punjabi with parents from each side of the India-Pakistan border — the streets here reveal a pre-partition mixture of Punjabi Muslims and Sikhs.
Men in shalwar kurta (traditional dress from the subcontinent) stand on street corners chatting as if in a bazaar in Lahore. They oppose Britain’s involvement in the Iraq war, they “hate” America, they might even think the West has united in a fight against Muslims; but these are not the faces of extremism. Their involvement in 7/7 is a generational one: they have raised the young men who are the genus most susceptible to Islamic extremism in this country — the second- generation British Pakistanis.
One appears next to his father on a street corner. Unlike his father there is nothing about his appearance that indicates he is a Punjabi Muslim. An Arabisation has occurred: he is wearing long Arab robes and keeps a beard cut to Islamic specification. I ask him why he is dressed that way.
“It’s my traditional dress,” he says in English.
“Isn’t your father in traditional dress?” I ask.
“Yes, but this is Islamic dress,” he clarifies. His father looks embarrassed. A man standing next to me jokes of how he complained to his neighbour that his son never did any work and the neighbour said: “You think that’s bad, mine’s grown a beard and become a bloody maulvi (priest).”
As a half-Indian, half-Pakistani with British citizenship, I have observed the gulf between what it means to be British Pakistani and British Indian. To be Indian is to come from a safe, ancient country and, more recently, from an emerging power. In contrast, to be Pakistani is to begin with a depleted idea of nationhood. In the almost 58 years that Pakistan has been a country, it has been a dangerous, violent place defined by hatred of the other — India. Its national image has been tarnished.
For young British Muslims, if Pakistan was not the place to look for an identity, being second-generation British was less inspiring. While their parents were pioneers, leaving Pakistan in search of economic opportunities, the second generation’s experience has been one of drudgery and confusion.
The owner of a convenience store on Stratford Street in Beeston, who knew the bombers, said: “They were born and raised here, we did the work and these kids grew up and they haven’t had a day’s worry. They’re bored, they don’t do any work, they have no sense of honour or belonging.”
While their parents’ generation was consumed with the challenge of building a life from scratch in Britain, they had far more time to consider and eventually doubt its purpose.
When our Tube bombers were growing up, any notion that an idea of Britishness should be imposed on minorities was seen as offensive. Unlike in America, where minorities wear their acquired national identity with great pride, Britons were having a hard time believing in Britishness.
If you denigrate your culture you face the risk of your newer arrivals looking for one elsewhere. So far afield in this case that for many second-generation British Pakistanis the desert culture of the Arabs held more appeal than either British or subcontinental culture. Three times removed from a durable sense of identity, the energised extra-national world view of radical Islam became one available identity for second-generation Pakistanis. The few who took it did so with the convert’s zeal.
The older generation of Beeston is mystified as to where some of their children found this identity. By all accounts it was not in the mosque. I met Maulana Munir of the Stratford Street mosque which, according to some newspapers, was attended by the London bombers. A small, soft-spoken man, he said he had never known them.
“This younger generation,” he said, “are owners of their own will. They come when they like, they don’t when they don’t like. The mosque is not responsible for these people.”
Hassan Butt, the young British Pakistani who was a spokesman for the extremist group Al-Muhajiroun and active in recruiting people to fight in Afghanistan, embodies this journey from frustration and rootlessness to radical Islam. What he found has made him an ardent supporter of “martyrdom actions” and he is a martyr aspirant himself.
The world Butt describes before he was approached, at the age of 17, by members of the Islamic group Hizbut Tahrir, was one in which “hot-headedness” was leading people around him “down a path of destruction” involving drugs, crime and prostitution. It was a world out of order, lacking prescriptive force of any kind. Islam reinstated a social equilibrium in his life.
The radicalised version of Islam that Butt found filled the vacuum that the absence of national identity had left. He was no longer part of the condition he described when he said: “The majority who I know of Pakistani descent are really fed up with the British way of life, British standards. They are even fed up with the Pakistani culture and traditions that are un-Islamic.”
The resulting antipathy for nationhood was immense. He parted ways with Omar Sheikh Bakri and Al-Muhajiroun because they supported the Islamic idea of a “covenant of security”, by which Muslims in Britain are forbidden from any type of military action in Britain. The principle behind the covenant is that if a country plays host to you, it is un-Islamic to strike against it.
While Butt believed that military action against Britain would be unwise for the practical reason that it would jeopardise the protection that Londonistan was offering radical Muslims, he could not tolerate the position that it was un-Islamic.
“Especially now,” he told me. “With Afghanistan gone, the Muslims don’t really have a place where they can come back to, regroup and have time to think and relax without the authorities breathing down their necks.”
He felt that the covenant did not apply to British Muslims as they were born here and did not enter by any choice of their own into a pact: “I am not in favour of military action in Britain, but if somebody did do it who was British, I would not have any trouble with it. Islamically it would be my duty to support and praise their action.”
So great was Butt’s antipathy for nationhood that even the fact of his British citizenship was an encumbrance rather than a privilege. “My allegiance is to Allah,” he said, “his sharia, his way of life. Whatever he dictates as good is good, whatever he dictates as bad is bad.”
These diktats are not simply a matter of private belief, they pave the way for a new extra-national identity with political ambitions. Hizbut Tahrir made no secret of the fact that its goal was the re- establishment of the caliphate, or a central Islamic order in Muslim countries. For Butt, however, this was not enough. Once he had accepted Islam into his life, his ambition for it was limitless.
“Fourteen hundred years ago,” he told me, “you had a small city state in Medina and within 10 years of the prophet it spread to Egypt and all the way into Persia. I don’t see why the rest of the world, the White House, 10 Downing Street, shouldn’t come under the banner of Islam.”
I was reminded of Butt’s cold hatred for Britain when a colleague of mine said that in her conversations with members of Beeston’s younger generation barely a week after the London bombings they were saying, “Well, what is the difference between Al-Qaeda and MI5 anyway?” and “It’s sad that people have died, but what about the ones who died in Iraq?”
There it was again, the great extra-national sentiment where no nation matters save the Islamic nation and its Arab culture.
What worried me when I went to Beeston and met some of its youth was that although they formed a small section even of Pakistani society, they were so susceptible to the advances of groups such as Hizbut Tahrir.
A shopkeeper cited a government-funded youth centre as a place where “something underground was going on”. He meant the Hamara youth centre, which the Beeston bombers attended. With Butt’s story in my head, the format was familiar. The first meetings of angry youth with almost definitely an outside organisation, the extra-national glue of Islam to bind the group together, the ever-expanding sense of grievance inflamed with propaganda, the inevitable decision to act. It could happen to youth anywhere, but the risk is greatest where the national identity is eroded, the challenges of life unrewarding and the doctrine all encompassing.
The kids I met in Beeston were not in the mood to ask questions. Their rage came first. They bandied around words such as Iraq and Palestine, but were often badly informed and felt no kinship with other non-Muslim Britons who were also angry about these issues. It suited them better to think of it as a unified attack on Islam linking unconnected conflicts ranging from Kashmir to Palestine. The version of Islam they had found did not allow for much questioning.
In a climate where so many aspects of identity have been thrown into doubt, those who find radical Islam must be relieved that it leaves so few of them room for questions; it is part of its completeness. When I asked Butt about a moderate view of Islam, he said triumphantly: “You’ve hit the nail on its head. If somebody believes that it’s the incontestable word of Allah, how can he then take a moderate view?”
Radical Islam is a global phenomenon drawing recruits from all varieties of desperate conditions and last week’s events have shown Somali and Eritrean communities to be vulnerable to its appeal, too. However, British second-generation Pakistanis, because of their sheer numbers and singular estrangement, are most vulnerable. They have been hardest hit by the great population changes of the past 50 years and the alienation that came with them.
They have rallied behind a banner and created a fantastic sense of grievance. As long as it exists they can channel all their anger and frustration into it. When they are done chasing absurd dreams of restored caliphates, there is always martyrdom.
“For me there is nothing bigger,” said Butt, “if somebody goes out there militarily and fights for the sake of Allah and kills for the sake of Allah and is killed for the sake of Allah — nothing bigger any Muslim can do.” In Beeston I met many with his makings: small, uprooted lives after bigger things.
This article is extracted from an in-depth interview with Hassan Butt in the latest issue of Prospect, www.prospect-magazine.co.uk
Last edited by Punjab Ki Fauj; 31 Jul 05, at 16:51.
How about Whabisim?
No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack
I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry
Punjab ki Fauj,
I find your commentary more incisive and excellent and even better than the article.
The crisis of identity of British born Pakistani origin people is but a fallout of the crisis of identity in the home country - Pakistan.
Pakistan has to find its place in the sun and for positive reasons and not negative one, so that those who claim origin do have some reasons to associate with it. If Pakistan projects itself with borrowed sunshine and appear to be a vassal state, then obviously Arab nations and Wahabism hold attraction.
Both your commentary and the article sums up the unfortunate crisis of identity that has led to such horrendous and unfortunate incidents.
It is time for the British govt to stop being politically correct and coy.
It is time for the first generation immigrants to give a meaning of life to their children too.
Good commentary.
Last edited by Ray; 31 Jul 05, at 17:12.
Confed,
For those who have a void in their lives and that too an important aspect i.e. Who are you? nagging and niggling them. violence, drugs and Wahabism is their solace.
If you are a Man without a Country, then virulent mishmash like Wahabism is like a candle attracting the moth and it devours them!
Good analysis Punjab ke Fauj, now that is a good contribution to the board.
It was just something to blame the Arabs for.Originally Posted by Ray
I agree with the rest so far, it was quite a good commentary.
No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack
I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry
You are right Confed.
Arabs are interesting specimens.
Silly of chaps to feel that they are Arabs when theya re not!
Don't buy it! They are the the way they are because they were taught that way. Children are born without prejudice or concept of religion, its a learned process. I wonder if their fathers ever told them, you are british and this is a good country and you should be proud to be from England, or did they tell them, you were born in England but you are Pakistani ( what ever) you are Muslim and living in a country of non believers .Originally Posted by Ray
Not a new flawed concept. Should be Humanity above all else....Originally Posted by bonehead
Maybe you are right and I am wrong.Originally Posted by porsteamboy
I agree Islam is above everything and the country of your birth is not important.
I was commenting from an alturistic point of view.
Last edited by Ray; 01 Aug 05, at 04:08.
What were the Arabians like before they got converted to Islam ?![]()
Quite , happy trading people and not so militant as they are now.
"Arabia Felix " - Happy Arabia.
They were, by and large, the same type of butt-holes nearly every civilization was at that point in their development. The sad part is, they were first world, not third, back then...Originally Posted by Samudra
No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack
I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry
In a few generations after Islam, they had gone from nomadic tribes to ruling the largest land empire the world had seen till date.Originally Posted by Confed999
"Any relations in a social order will endure if there is infused into them some of that spirit of human sympathy, which qualifies life for immortality." ~ George William Russell
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