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    Huawei: Will China conquer the world?

    Huawei: Will China conquer the world?
    iain marlow
    From Friday's Globe and Mail
    Published Thursday, Nov. 24, 2011 4:34PM EST
    Last updated Friday, Nov. 25, 2011 8:39AM EST


    As Wind Mobile considered bids for $30 million in contracts to expand its wireless network in Canada, one of the competing companies put in a peculiar request. Wind CEO Anthony Lacavera was talking to world-beating network equipment stalwarts like Ericsson and Nokia Siemens when the Chinese firm Huawei asked if it could rent office space at Wind’s headquarters on Toronto’s waterfront.

    Lacavera could see no reason why not, and Huawei moved in 25 engineers who promptly began working with his staff to craft their bid. Lacavera was dumbstruck by how perfect the results were; Huawei won the contract.

    As the network expanded, he looked to the Chinese company again. When operators like Wind build out cellular towers and rooftop antenna sites, they typically contract a company for a lump sum—between $250,000 and $500,000—and the work is done in the same fashion as most construction projects in the West: That is, one of the usual industry suspects does the job dutifully, sending around five or six people.

    Huawei, Lacavera says, sent five times that. They do it like it’s done in China, he says, piling on to get the job done fast. Usually Huawei’s price is cheaper, to boot. And if there’s a problem, Huawei’s representatives will arrive at Wind’s offices in a group of about six. They’ll silently nod as they hear about the glitch, accept blame for whatever has just occurred and promise to fix it immediately. Old-guard companies would push back, in Lacavera’s experience, blaming Wind or a third party for the error. Not Huawei. “Even if it’s our fault, they just sit there, eating it,” says Lacavera, shaking his head in disbelief. “I don’t see how anyone else can compete with them.”

    Huawei, a supplier of telecommunications equipment and services based in Southern China, is now a global juggernaut. The company’s eagerness and aggressiveness have upended its entire industry, driving down prices that were set by old-world conglomerates. To many in the technology business, Huawei’s long march up the value chain is emblematic of the attempt by China as a whole to move, like Taiwan and Japan, beyond cheap manufacturing to a sustainably profitable knowledge economy. Looking down upon the hundreds of engineers working in Huawei’s Shanghai offices this year, one wireless executive simply thought to himself: “We’re screwed.” By “we,” he meant the West.

    But Huawei has one problem as it pushes ahead as China’s first home-grown, non-state-owned multinational success story: A lot of very powerful people don’t trust it.

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    Huawei: Will China conquer the world? - The Globe and Mail

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    I use a Huawei Ascend Droid, its not top of the shelf, but for bargain smart phones it blows Motorola's Citrus (Verizon) out of the water. Big incredibly crisp screen, decent antenna, only real problem is the battery is anemic under heavy use.

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    IBM will control the world.
    Microsoft will control the world.
    Google will control the world
    Apple will control the world.


    I recall those news headlines and that is the beauty of capitalism -- may the best company wins.

    Huawei is far from the top dog in any field. talking about how it will take over the is...........
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    handled Huawei tablet in an expo, not impressed, Huawei also make fierce competition in telecom sector here

    Apple already controls the world, imagine all the rage and breakdown teenage kids will have if you take their ianything away from them


    i grew up watching Japan made TV and people wouldn't buy anything less, watched some real good Japanese kids shows
    now i watch Korean made TV, uses Korean smartphone, and watch Korean tv shows
    perhaps in a few years time a true global brand will break out from China, but i'm not sure i want to watch any show from mainland, save CCTV-7

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    that is the common point people are making regarding Chinese capitalism -- sure they can make it cheap and make it fast, but can it breaks out and create the next I-something.

    The question has a point but at the end of the day, it does not matter dell laptop or HP laptop, the one that creates Chinese jobs is a good laptop.
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    Huawei may do well in it's niche and be successful as a company. That does not equal taking over the world, or the market. I don't see them beating out the giants like Apple and Samsung. Remember they can't get U.S. Government contracts. We don't run sensitive information through a Chinese built device or network.

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    When the cost of labor and engineering services equalizes with other countries, it will be harder for Huawei to play the lapdog. For now their tactics makes sense and will help them grow. But sooner or later, their competitors will adapt. Take over the world? No.
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    Maybe Huawei is not a small company or we can call him a big company. but facing the gaints like Apple,Huawei looks small.what we can say is huawei have great potential.but it is far away from to conquer or take over the world.in my opinion it won't have the chance.so I really want to know how far he can go

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    Quote Originally Posted by xinhui View Post
    IBM will control the world.
    Microsoft will control the world.
    Google will control the world
    Apple will control the world.


    I recall those news headlines and that is the beauty of capitalism -- may the best company wins.

    Huawei is far from the top dog in any field. talking about how it will take over the is...........
    Very well said, in the end, the consumer wins regardless of who is at the top.

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    How many here are old enough to remember US-Japan trade tension in the 1970s and 1980s? Remember reports of people taking sledge hammers to imported cars, simply because the Japanese automakers built cars that were popular?

    I give it a couple of years before we see the same with products made in China. The difference, of course, is that the majority of China’s exports are made by foreign-invested companies.

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    But Huawei has one problem as it pushes ahead as China’s first home-grown, non-state-owned multinational success story: A lot of very powerful people don’t trust it.
    There is another very good reason to remain quiet and humble in the face of angry rivals: The company’s near-invisible founder and current CEO, Ren Zhengfei, was an engineer in the People’s Liberation Army (PLA). He started Huawei after he was downsized out of his job. This fact makes Western governments, particularly those of the United States and Canada, very nervous. In response, all the company can do is grimly explain, over and over again, that Huawei is not a proxy for the Chinese government. It does receive research grants from Beijing, it’s true, but they amounted to a drop in the bucket—$68.9 million—in 2010.

    Political opposition to Huawei in the U.S. has already derailed an acquisition attempt (of 3Com) and spoiled a potentially huge contract (with Sprint Nextel, which has some government contracts). Since growth in the world’s most valuable wireless market is a top priority for Huawei, overcoming the Republican Party’s national security paranoia—which has fused with anxiety over the state of American competitiveness—may be the biggest challenge it faces. If Huawei were ever in a position where a major stateside buyout was absolutely crucial, it could very well be stuck.

    Of course, it doesn’t help that Huawei is growing in lockstep with cyber-crime perpetrated from Chinese IP addresses. And Western paranoia feeds Eastern paranoia. Huawei scaled back scheduled interviews in China for this article after the Canadian Security Intelligence Service renewed its investigation of the company back in Canada—an investigation that included the physical examination of some of Huawei’s installed wireless network equipment in Toronto, according to a wireless industry executive with direct knowledge of the incident. The investigation stemmed from complaints by Canadian pharmaceutical companies about China-based hacking and attempted thefts of generic drug formulas; there was worry that having Chinese network equipment in Canada could compound the problem.

    Huawei faces even more suspicions in India. Judging by conversations with senior telecommunications officials and political leaders, it is almost taken for granted that Huawei is an arm of the PLA. As in the U.S., officials may just be voicing frustration at their country’s own lack of homegrown telecom innovation, and keeping out potentially disruptive companies by playing the national security card. But more than one report to the U.S. Congress has flagged Huawei’s links to the Chinese military. A particularly damaging report by the RAND think tank in 2005 said Huawei “maintains deep ties with the Chinese military, which serves a multifaceted role as an important customer, as well as Huawei’s political patron and research and development partner.” In 2010, the U.S. National Security Agency reportedly called AT&T and warned it away from awarding Huawei contracts worth hundreds of millions of dollars—unless, of course, AT&T wanted to endanger its contracts with the U.S. government.
    Remember this when it was all the rage in my country a few years ago, Huawei was labelled as a national security risk. We imported the american paranoia. Front end is not a problem, backend is.

    As of 2010 the US govt still won't trust them. Maybe this will change as Huawei gets more contracts and the perception improves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DOR View Post
    How many here are old enough to remember US-Japan trade tension in the 1970s and 1980s? Remember reports of people taking sledge hammers to imported cars, simply because the Japanese automakers built cars that were popular?
    Japanese cars only sell well on the twin coasts. Go to small towns in the heartland and they still only buy american. This is my anecdotal observation from what friends told me when they visited OK & TX.

    Anything to do with China is politicised so forget any objectivity and think the nature of the opposition to Japanese products was different.

    eg. when were Japanese products ever considered a national security risk ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    Japanese cars only sell well on the twin coasts. Go to small towns in the heartland and they still only buy american. This is my anecdotal observation from what friends told me when they visited OK & TX.

    Anything to do with China is politicised so forget any objectivity and think the nature of the opposition to Japanese products was different.

    eg. when were Japanese products ever considered a national security risk ?
    I was once told by my high school teacher in the US that the Japanese products threatened the survival of the American nation. Don't take lightly at the paranoia of some people..

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    But point is did the state say it ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Edge View Post
    But point is did the state say it ?
    Those representatives would say anything and threaten any countries just to get money and votes, and they came close to enact laws and legislation to punish Japan. Desperate people do desperate things, and desperate politicians would hijack any agendas just to get attentions.

    The difference between Japan and China is that China is viewed much more negatively than Japan, but that does not mean that the United States would hesitate to label or demonize its friendly competitor.

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