Thread: US unemployment at 26-year high

Originally Posted by entropy

Not a big problem in Europe.

Oh yes it is- drug gangs, immigrant gangs, soccer youths, right wing neo-nazis don't lie to yourself.

Then what causes black on black crime, apart from the "individual responsibility"? I do not believe in the latter.

In a nutshell
1. the compression and isolation of black neighborhoods
2. job scarcity, inner city service jobs are actually a hindrence
3. welfare systems that discourage the participation of the father
4. a failed education system supported by low property values and subject to political unions and redirected funds in to majority white AP classes
5. They are young men with little outlets for what being a young man entails
6. hopelessness
7. A cultural mentality that looks at all of that and sees it was a war on them.

Europeans and Americans have rather big differences in looking on social issues. Individual responsibility and personal freedom are less important here.

Ya, American vets are well aware of how Europeans are shirkers, we had to pick up your national defense bill for 40 years while you spent the time playing and building socialist utopias effectively on our dime.

There are some interesting curtains indeed. Even here on WAB I remember a school teacher telling stories on teenage pregnancies in her school. They are indeed high in the States.
In the same thread, we had Christfags telling people that they did not want governmental sexual education because it contradicted with their morality.
The curtains do have some interesting patterns on them, and one keeps wondering whether it is caused by differences in the outlook on life or not.

America is a diverse society, but is our right that much different from yours? Sure the individual issues might differ but not the reactionary outlook to what ever that issue is.

And yes, there is truth in your last words. It is not permitted to be good in Europe, since being good might "upset" people who are less good than you which they aren't because everyone is equal so by being good you discriminate against them. European logic, yes.

That is insane.

But if we talk about monetary gain for businessmen, I prefer it the European way. Being good in a trade does not mean one deserves the buckloads of money one receives.

Why not, why can't you get the most for your contributions that you can?

Originally Posted by zraver

Oh yes it is- drug gangs, immigrant gangs, soccer youths, right wing neo-nazis don't lie to yourself.

In continental Western Europe:

-drug gangs: not as such, there are crime syndicates but no drug gangs in the true sense.
-immigrant gangs: exist, but in no way in the same way as in the States. There is immigrant crime but few gangs. In fact, European white kids have started wearing Crip and Blood symbols.
-socces youths: yes, they exist. They are a minor problem in some countries, and large problems in, say, Italy. But they do not come even close.
-neo-nazi's: oh come on. Those 10 bald drunkards?

In a nutshell
1. the compression and isolation of black neighborhoods
2. job scarcity, inner city service jobs are actually a hindrence
3. welfare systems that discourage the participation of the father
4. a failed education system supported by low property values and subject to political unions and redirected funds in to majority white AP classes
5. They are young men with little outlets for what being a young man entails
6. hopelessness
7. A cultural mentality that looks at all of that and sees it was a war on them.

Similar things are starting to emerge in our cities due to immigration. The problem seems unsolvable, is this true?

Ya, American vets are well aware of how Europeans are shirkers, we had to pick up your national defense bill for 40 years while you spent the time playing and building socialist utopias effectively on our dime.

But we were the buffer zone.

America is a diverse society, but is our right that much different from yours? Sure the individual issues might differ but not the reactionary outlook to what ever that issue is.

Good question. How much tolerance could a Christfag denying his daughter sexual education expect in the States? In Belgium, he will be targeted by governmental institutions and the people will ostracize him.

That is insane.

Yes. It's even more insane when you start to look at the details. The last education reform in Belgium is somehow phantasmagoric.

Why not, why can't you get the most for your contributions that you can?

Because some contributions that are seen by the economic system as valuable are paid more than those that aren't. Right now the economy works like this: we make cheap crap and we convince the people they need it.
Those who contribute to the production of the cheap stuff are valued. Those doing something completely different have to be happy with a government fee or hope for corporate interest.
The latter isn't always possible, for example if one is a researcher in the social behaviour of Caledonian crows or a paleoantropologist.

I'm not entirely talking redistribution, but what I mean is that when politics is dominated by economics, economically loaded professions get more importance. Same thing happened in the past when the political systems were dominated by religious or warrior doctrines. One might lose oneself in the process.

Of course, the tax system in Europe doesn't always do that.

Originally Posted by entropy

In continental Western Europe:

-drug gangs: not as such, there are crime syndicates but no drug gangs in the true sense.
-immigrant gangs: exist, but in no way in the same way as in the States. There is immigrant crime but few gangs. In fact, European white kids have started wearing Crip and Blood symbols.
-socces youths: yes, they exist. They are a minor problem in some countries, and large problems in, say, Italy. But they do not come even close.
-neo-nazi's: oh come on. Those 10 bald drunkards?

You might want to do a bit of research, Europe has a gang problem. Belgium might not, but Europe does.

Similar things are starting to emerge in our cities due to immigration. The problem seems unsolvable, is this true?

Current and promising trends say the best solution is mixed density housing to break the compression of the ghetto. Mixed race schools instead of minority dominated and programs to bring jobs, not just to the city, but to where the majority of people needing the jobs actually live or can get too.

But we were the buffer zone.

Not really, ICBM's respect no borders.

Good question. How much tolerance could a Christfag denying his daughter sexual education expect in the States? In Belgium, he will be targeted by governmental institutions and the people will ostracize him.

And in America a party preaching white power can't get elected. Geert Wilders would be reduced to a no audience internet radio fool like Hal Turner in the states.

Because some contributions that are seen by the economic system as valuable are paid more than those that aren't. Right now the economy works like this: we make cheap crap and we convince the people they need it.
Those who contribute to the production of the cheap stuff are valued. Those doing something completely different have to be happy with a government fee or hope for corporate interest.
The latter isn't always possible, for example if one is a researcher in the social behaviour of Caledonian crows or a paleoantropologist.

I'm not entirely talking redistribution, but what I mean is that when politics is dominated by economics, economically loaded professions get more importance. Same thing happened in the past when the political systems were dominated by religious or warrior doctrines. One might lose oneself in the process.

Of course, the tax system in Europe doesn't always do that.

Consumerism is the best system to keep the large and expanding population employed. Inside of that the individual has too choices follow their heart and take what pay it brings, or chase the paycheck and have their passions outside of work.

Originally Posted by zraver

Current and promising trends say the best solution is mixed density housing to break the compression of the ghetto. Mixed race schools instead of minority dominated and programs to bring jobs, not just to the city, but to where the majority of people needing the jobs actually live or can get too.
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Zraver,maybe you know something I don't,but that's a disaster waiting to happen.It lowers standards and it creates even more segregation because those who can leave go away.Instead of having lower,middle and upper class kids in the same school,you'll have lower middle and minorities in most schools,upper class kids in a few elite ones.You'll end with an unacceptable gap in just one generation.Trying to rescue a minority you'll end bankrupting the country as a whole.
Simple fact is those who want to learn will learn at candle's light if they have to.If one community doesn't prize learning,as seems to be the case with your blacks,East Europe's gypsies or West Europe's immigrants it's the community's fault not the majority's.The minorities have plenty examples of success around them(and a few exceptions among their own ranks).Instead of choosing to live on welfare and crime they should start cultivate work and personal responsability.It's mostly up to them.

Originally Posted by Mihais

Zraver,maybe you know something I don't,but that's a disaster waiting to happen.It lowers standards and it creates even more segregation because those who can leave go away.Instead of having lower,middle and upper class kids in the same school,you'll have lower middle and minorities in most schools,upper class kids in a few elite ones.You'll end with an unacceptable gap in just one generation.Trying to rescue a minority you'll end bankrupting the country as a whole.

The cream already goes to private schools.

What mixing does is broaden cultural horizons, create a shared vision of whats possible and breaks the compression of the Ghetto.

Simple fact is those who want to learn will learn at candle's light if they have to.

candle light could be construed as a tool. A modern education requires access to the modern world. A school that lacks technology, or even modern text books is failing in that.

If one community doesn't prize learning,as seems to be the case with your blacks,

100% off the mark here. There is zero evidence the black community as a whole does not prize education. Thier kids go to college at the same rates, they have a rapidly growing middle class etc. The challenges they face- language, access to services, poverty and the quality of educators should not be construed as a desire to not learn.

The minorities have plenty examples of success around them(and a few exceptions among their own ranks).Instead of choosing to live on welfare and crime they should start cultivate work and personal responsability.It's mostly up to them.

Examples of success only go so far if there are offical barriers to achieving it put in place. Such barriers very much exist in the US in a quiet but insidious form of instatutional racism. Money is directed away from minority classes to fund mostly white AP classes. Scholl funding rmeains primarily funeded by property taxes thus favoring rich districts, the talent tax on small schools and communties still exist and thats just edcuation.

Cities still invite companies to come to town and create jobs- but the enw plants are located away from public transportation hubs meanign blacks with lower rates of relaible transportation can't compete with whites for the jobs.

Lott retailers are clustered in poor and minority areas for sales and the proceeds benefit middle and upper class white kids.

If a black family does make "it", and they move into a white neighborhood, whites move out and property values plunge thus denying mom and dad equity to later use to send thier kids to college to keep the cycle of success going.

welfare laws designed to keep dad from contributing to his family and thus locking the family into poverty and dependance.

A refusal to recognize that AAVE is real and is not simply sloppy English.

The list is long, and it amounts to an effort by white America to preserve white privalege.