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    The last known domestic individual bank deposits 14 trillion yuan recorded 2006 with an estimated of 50% increased in both 2007 and 2008, it is safe to put that number to 20T yuan.

    Since the Chinese government controls the bank (technically, not owned), they can put forward a 2nd package of 7 Trillion and spending them in infrastructure projects in NE and SW, or have the 20 millions jobless Chinese start digging holes. But, the Wen administration decided to increase the deficient spending to 3 % of the GDP instead. Chinese government can safely push the deficient spending to 7%. I think the domestic bond market is relatively untapped.
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    Xinhui, the question in my mind is how much flexibility the Chinese leadership really has in directing their domestic savings.

    For their current stimulus, a substantial portion of the money turned out to be projects that had already been committed to. Initially, I thought that the Chinese leadership was trying to change the psychology of the market on the cheap by using a mixture of real spending and propaganda. However, reports on the extent of the recession in China is making me wonder if the lack of additional spending was not due to funding constraints. Perhap so much of the country's savings had already been committed towards infrastructure spending and fixed asset investments that there is no more money to spend. Additional funds would have to come from acquiring debt or unloading the foreign exchange reserve.

    I don't think a small and safe increase in deficit spending could provide enough stimulus if such measures were needed. Raising deficit spending from 3% to 7% of GDP would only bring in about $150 to $200 billion dollars this year. Perhaps China will luck out and the economy will start rebounding by later this year. If not, China would need to raise additional funds. Could the domestic bonds market provide such funds? Who are these investors?

    If the domestic bonds market cannot, then it might be placed in the position of either competing against US T-bonds or unloading T-bonds and risk further devaluation of the dollar.

    Whatever the outcome, I think the Chinese leadership will be far more cautious in acquiring US debt in the future. The cycle of debt acquisition by China and deficit spending by the US was good for both countries while it lasted, but I think it has also left China doubly exposed once the cycle is broken.

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    Economist's surprise take on very topic.


    though some of the lending is of the state-directed sort.
    this state gave me a few laugh, oh, Good ole Economist is still the Good ole Economist. Banks loan money to the state owned railroads, what else would you call it?

    China's stimulus

    Got a light?
    Mar 12th 2009 | HONG KONG
    From The Economist print edition

    China’s big fiscal package may be starting to work

    “ONLY when all contribute their firewood can they build up a strong fire,” says a Chinese proverb. With the world economy in its worst crisis in 70 years, every country needs to do its bit to rekindle global demand. The American government, which plans to run a budget deficit of 12% of GDP this year, has called on its Group of 20 partners to do more. Is China one of the misers? Its budget, published last week, showed that it plans to run a deficit of only 3% of GDP. Was the 4 trillion yuan ($586 billion) infrastructure package unveiled last November, worth 14% of GDP, a sham?

    Beijing’s stimulus is smaller than the number announced last year, but it is still the biggest in the world. The fact that America is set to run a budget deficit four times the size of China’s as a share of GDP does not mean its demand stimulus is bigger; America started this year with a much bigger deficit. America’s deficit will increase by more than China’s this year, largely because it is suffering a deeper recession which will depress tax revenue. The correct measure of a fiscal stimulus is the change in the budget deficit adjusted for the impact of the economic cycle.

    In China, however, even this would understate the true stimulus, because some public-infrastructure investment will be done by state-owned firms or local governments and financed by banks. Tao Wang of UBS estimates that new infrastructure investment, tax cuts, consumer subsidies and increased spending on health care will amount to a stimulus by the central government of about 3% of GDP in 2009. Adding in bank-financed infrastructure spending might lift the total to 4% of GDP.

    Chinese investment in railways, roads and power grids is already booming. In the first two months of this year, total fixed investment was 30% higher in real terms than a year earlier, and investment in railways tripled. China has been much criticised for focusing its stimulus on investment, rather than consumption, but in China in the short term this is the quickest way to boost domestic demand.

    What about the other tool for boosting domestic spending, namely monetary policy? Since the start of last year, China has cut its interest rates by only half as much as America’s Federal Reserve has. New figures showing that consumer prices fell by 1.6% in the year to February have brought the first whiff of deflation, suggesting that China has not done enough to boost demand. But this is not true deflation, where falling prices are accompanied by shrinking money supply and credit. Bank lending grew by 24% over the past year. The true gauge of monetary easing is not the cut in interest rates, but whether it succeeds in spurring new lending. China is one of the few countries in the world where credit has accelerated since the start of the global credit crunch—though some of the lending is of the state-directed sort.

    China has not only accomplished considerable fiscal and monetary easing. By allowing the yuan to rise by 18% in trade-weighted terms over the past 12 months, Beijing is passing on some of that boost to the rest of the world.

    The real question is whether China’s stimulus is big enough? Exports fell by a sharper-than-expected 26% in the year to February and may yet drop further. The 12-month rate of growth in industrial production also dropped to only 3.8% in the first two months of 2009, and retail-sales growth slowed to 15%. But there are some tentative signs of a recovery in domestic demand. As well as the increases in investment and bank lending, car sales and electricity consumption have picked up. Mingchun Sun of Nomura reckons that the stimulus will be enough to achieve 8% growth this year. But the government has made it clear that if the economy remains feeble, it will supply another fiscal boost.

    Such injections may be able to drag growth back to 8% this year, but they cannot keep the economy running at this pace if global demand remains depressed. The need for China to shift the mix of growth from exports to consumption has become more urgent. Chinese officials are right to say that it will take years for higher public spending on health care and a social safety net to reduce household saving—all the more reason to speed up such policies. If not, even China’s fire could burn out.
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    China has more to worry about than its Treasury holdings

    Posted on Saturday, March 14th, 2009

    By bsetser

    Premier Wen knows how to get attention; all he has to do is raise a few doubts about China’s ongoing willingness to keep on buying US assets. The FT, the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times — not to mention the White House — all took note.

    Wen’s comments generally have been interpreted as a warning that China might lose confidence in US Treasuries. But the quotes that I have seen refer to China’s concerns about the safety of all of its investments in the US, not just its investments in US Treasuries. The New York Times reports that Wen said:

    “We have lent a huge amount of money to the U.S. Of course we are concerned about the safety of our assets. To be honest, I am definitely a little worried.” He called on the United States to “maintain its good credit, to honor its promises and to guarantee the safety of China’s assets.”

    I don’t doubt for a second that China is starting to worry that the scale of US issuance of Treasuries will reduce what might be called the scarcity value of China’s existing Treasury portfolio; creditors, after all, generally think debtors should limit the amount of new debt they take on. But I am not convinced that Wen’s comments were driven entirely by China’s worries about its Treasury portfolio either.

    Remember, that Treasuries account for only about half of China’s US portfolio. China likely has about $750 billion Treasuries. But it also has around $500 billion of Agencies. It could have about $150 billion of US corporate bonds. It probably has invested in a range of money market funds, not just reserve primary. And China had about $100 billion in US stocks in the middle of 2008 — though those stocks are now worth substantially less.

    Wen’s comments, at least to me, seemed to echo the comments that a host of anonymous Chinese officials made to the Wall Street Journal in January. Their main concern? That the US government wouldn’t backstop bonds that China thought had the implicit backing of the US government. China wouldn’t mind at all if the US provided a full faith and credit guarantee to the Agencies — or to any other financial institution that China had lent money to — even if this meant a larger US government debt stock. Dean, Areddy and Ng of the Wall Street Journal :

    “Leaders in China, the world’s third-largest economy, have been surprised and upset over how much the problems of the U.S. financial sector have hurt China’s holdings. In response, Beijing is re-examining its U.S. investments, say people familiar with the government’s thinking. … Chinese leaders have felt burned by a series of bad experiences with U.S. investments they had believed were safe, say people familiar with their thinking, including holdings in Morgan Stanley, the collapsed Reserve Primary Fund and mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.”

    ….. The Reserve issue “is causing a lot of concern with a lot of financial institutions in China,” said the Chinese official. Some officials expected that the U.S. and its financial institutions would better protect China from loss. “If the U.S. is treating us this way, eventually that will be enough cause for concern in the stability of the [U.S.] system,” the official said

    I hear echoes of those concerns when Wen speaks about the need for the US to “honor its promises and to guarantee the safety of China’s assets.” And nothing probably matters more to China than the promises the US made about the safety of China’s half a trillion dollar Agency portfolio. This is what I wrote back in January:

    “One of China’s main criticism of US policy is simple: the government didn’t stand by institutions that China expected the US to support …. China’s leaders believed that China’s investments in the US financial sector would be protected … . They weren’t. At least not consistently. And that clearly has had a big impact on China’s leadership. And if I had to guess, I would guess that the CIC was not the only institutions in China that had a bit of direct exposure to Lehman. SAFE turned conservative at the same time as CIC.”

    The available data — and the TIC data only goes through December — suggests that China has lost confidence in all the assets that it thought had the implicit backing of the US government, not in bonds backed by the full faith and credit of the US government. Treasuries are the one US asset that China is still buying. The following chart — which shows my best estimate* of China’s purchases on a rolling 3m basis — speaks for itself.

    To me the real story is that China’s reserve managers sought — more than most central banks — to boost returns by taking on more risk. Above all they opted for Agencies rather than Treasuries, and at one point had more Agency bonds than Treasuries. But China also started to buy large quantities of US corporate bonds in 2005. And then in early 2007 it started to buy US equities. The big surge in Hong Kong’s purchases of US equities in the TIC data is almost certainly a reflection of the activities of SAFE’s Hong Kong office.

    As a result, China was caught in an uncomfortable position this fall. And it responded by dramatically increasing its purchases of Treasury bonds. It clearly lost confidence in Agency bonds — and seems to have slowed its purchases of US corporate bonds and US equities as well.

    I consequently interpreted Wen’s statement as a statement of concern about the health of China’s entire US portfolio, not just China’s Treasury portfolio.

    Of course, the decisions China took last fall mean that China’s portfolio is now more concentrated in Treasuries. It consequently has more reason to worry about the safety of its Treasury portfolio than in the past. At the same time, China wouldn’t have bought as many Treasuries as it did in the past few months if it didn’t still think that Treasuries are the safest US asset.

    Indeed, I suspect that Chinese policy makers are caught between a rock and a hard place — as Chinese policy makers cannot choose between different fundamentally conflicting objectives.

    1) China both wants to maintain the RMB’s link to the dollar and avoid adding to its already large dollar exposure. Yet so long as China pegs to the dollar and runs a sizable current account surplus, it is hard to see how China can avoid adding to its dollar holdings.**

    2) China is torn between its interest as a creditor and its interests as an exporter. China’s commercial interests would be best served by an even larger US stimulus, one that helped spur US demand for China’s goods. China’s reserve managers though worry that the US won’t be able to finance a large stimulus and thus are worried that a rise in Treasury supply would reduce the value of China’s existing Treasuries. Never mind that China is sitting on large mark to market gains on all the Treasuries it bought back when 10 year Treasury yields were above 4% …. and never mind that China’s reserve managers — though not its exporters — hav benefited from the dollar’s rally.

    Wines, Bradsher and Landler of New York Times correctly observe:

    “The conflicting financial currents pose a dilemma for Beijing. The smaller the United States stimulus, the less its borrowing, which could help prevent interest rates from rising. But less government spending in the United States could also mean a slower recovery for the American economy and reduced American demand for Chinese goods.”

    If Wen wants the US to run a smaller fiscal stimulus, I rather doubt it will be able to hit his growth target and also brag that China’s fiscal deficit won’t top 3% of its GDP …

    3) China is torn between its desire to avoid taking losses on any part of its portfolio and its concerns that it now has too much exposure to the one borrower that is almost sure not to default — the US Treasury. After several years of taking on credit risk and market risk in an effort to increase returns, whether by buying Agencies rather than Treasuries or by taking on a bit of equity market risk — China’s reserve managers have returned to classic reserve assets. But given the size of China’s portfolio, that means that they now hold a huge sum of Treasuries. And concentrating China’s portfolio in Treasuries has risks of its own; the US isn’t going to default on its Treasuries — but that doesn’t meant that holders of Treasuries aren’t exposed to other risks, not the least the risk that the dollar won’t maintain its value over time.

    China’s desire to have the US government guarantee the safety of its holdings of Agencies and the bonds issued by US corporations is also somewhat at odds with its concerns about the rapid growth in the outstanding stock of Treasuries. Bailouts do have a fiscal cost.

    China’s overall portfolio has actually held up fairly well in the crisis. China was only beginning to shift out of traditional reserves assets when the crisis struck. Its overall exposure to risky assets, setting the Agencies aside, remains small. A US pension fund that had China’s modest losses in 2008 would be thrilled. But the losses China took on its forays into riskier assets seem to have focused China’s attention on the cost of accumulating so many foreign assets in a very real way …

    One final point:

    No one forced China’s government to hold a $1.95 trillion reserve portfolio — a total that rises to over $2300 billion if the PBoC’s $184 billion in other foreign assets, the CIC’s foreign portfolio and the State banks foreign portfolio is added to the total. China’s huge foreign portfolio is function of China’s own decision not to allow its currency to appreciate even as China’s current account surplus soared and private money poured into China.

    China long viewed its massive reserves with pride, as a symbol of China’s strength. But they are also a burden. In some sense, China is only now waking up to the costs of holding far more reserves than in really needs. China is likely to take losses on China’s reserves — as it in effect overpaid for foreign assets to hold its currency down. If it invests its portfolio unwisely, it may also take additional losses. That in some sense is the bill for using the exchange rate to support China’s exports; it is a cost that China’s taxpayers will have to pick up. I have long argued that the benefits (rapid export growth, lots of investment in the export sector) associated with China’s exchange rate policy were front-loaded while the costs (export dependence, losses on China’s reserves) were back-loaded. The bill for subsidizing China’s exports during the boom is just now coming due.

    Ultimately, the only way China can reduce the risk in its reserve portfolio is to stop adding to its reserves. The main financial risk that China faces, after all, isn’t the risk that the US won’t honor its Treasuries, or even the risk that the US would walk away from the Agencies. It rather is the risk that the dollar and euro will eventually depreciate against the RMB, reducing the RMB value of China’s reserve portfolio.

    Update: Business Week’s Mike Mandel draws out something that I alluded to, namely that Chinese state investors likely hold some of the bonds issued by US financial institutions.

    * The methodology used to construct these estimates is described in the paper that I did with Arpana Pandey on China’s US portfolio. Our estimates are based on the TIC data and the survey data. We simply smooth out the jump in China’s holdings associated with the survey by re-attributing some purchases through London and Hong Kong to China. China’s holdings of corporate bonds don’t show up in the survey (even though large monthly purchases suggests that China has a significant portfolio). Here I have summed up flows to estimate China’s stock. The data presented here differs from the data in our paper because it has been updated to reflect the results of the last survey, which showed substantially fewer Chinese Treasury purchases from mid-07 to mid-08 than we has expected on the basis of the revisions in the June 07 survey. I also explained how I try to track China’s portfolio in this Planet Money interview with Adam Davidson.
    ** If China sold dollars for other currencies while pegging tightly to the dollar, other countries would argue that China’s reserve managers were intentionally driving the RMB down against their currency to give China’s exporters a competitive advantage. Moreover, it is a little hard to see how the global flow of funds would reach equilibrium — given the size of China’s external surplus and the size of the US external deficit –if China wasn’t directly buying lots of US debt.

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    If China is really worried about US debt, it could...oh I don't know...NOT buy any more? Or even reduce its holdings? It's a free market. We didn't force China to lend us money.
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    the point is that there is no other place to put those billions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xinhui View Post
    the point is that there is no other place to put those billions.
    Exactly
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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnut View Post
    If China is really worried about US debt, it could...oh I don't know...NOT buy any more? Or even reduce its holdings? It's a free market. We didn't force China to lend us money.
    Yes, no one force people to run away from an avalanche. It's always a free choice - to run away or to die horribly under tons of rocks and snow.

    In 2008 China could create problems by selling US debt. In 2009, all China need to do is to stop buying it. The only problem is a loss of biggest export market and all dollar-nominated assets.

    http://www.treas.gov/press/releases/tg57.htm
    In January USA have lost about $150 blns, at the moment they need them most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donnie View Post
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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090313/...ina_us_economy

    How long till china pulls out the rug? I understand that it may be painfull for them as well, any thoughts?
    I have checked some news. US govenment owed China 740 billion us-dollar national debt, China is the bigest foreign creditor of US govenment. 100 billion dollars more than the the second Japan, and, China is a poor country, so, no one more worried about the funds security than Chinese people. Us people should understand the anxiety of China.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomluter View Post
    I have checked some news. US govenment owed China 740 billion us-dollar national debt, China is the bigest foreign creditor of US govenment. 100 billion dollars more than the the second Japan, and, China is a poor country, so, no one more worried about the funds security than Chinese people. Us people should understand the anxiety of China.
    Thanks for coming in. You have put the situation in a good perspective.

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    Today's WSJ OpEd, also carried by CFR



    Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao created a useful stir late last week when he said he's a "little bit worried" about the safety of U.S. assets -- meaning the Treasury bonds his government owns. Whatever Mr. Wen's political motives, his concerns about the integrity of U.S. sovereign debt are timely and apt.

    U.S. debt held by the public has now hit $6.6 trillion -- up from $5.3 trillion only a year ago. That doesn't count another $5.3 trillion in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac liabilities that we now know also have a taxpayer guarantee. And it doesn't count the many ways that both the Federal Reserve and Treasury have guaranteed financial assets more broadly -- such as $29 billion in Bear Stearns paper, $301 billion in dodgy Citigroup assets, and hundreds of billions in Federal Housing Administration loans.
    [Mr. Wen's Debt Bomb]

    President Obama's stimulus plan and new budget will require an additional $3 trillion to $4 trillion in new borrowing over the next two or three years, and that's if the economy recovers smartly. Adding it all up, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke last week estimated that U.S. public debt-to-GDP would reach 60% over the next few years, up from 40% before the financial panic hit -- and the highest level since the aftermath of World War II. He must be an optimist. As the nearby chart shows, Mr. Obama's budget anticipates a decade of outlays far above postwar spending and revenue averages. And even that assumes, implausibly, that most "stimulus" spending will be temporary.

    That's a lot of T-bills to flog, and the world is taking note. Our colleagues at MarketWatch reported last week that the cost to buy insurance against U.S. sovereign debt default has surged in the past year. The spreads on credit default swaps for U.S. government debt hit 97 basis points last week -- or $97,000 to buy insurance on $10 million in debt -- nearly seven times higher than a year ago and 60% higher than the end of 2008.

    Mr. Wen called on the U.S. to "maintain its credibility, honor its commitments and guarantee the safety of Chinese assets." Little wonder: China, like other trading nations, has a big stake in this fiscal free-for-all. Although it doesn't release detailed data, roughly two-thirds of Beijing's $1.9 trillion foreign-exchange reserves are likely parked in U.S. Treasury debt.

    The Obama Administration revealed its sensitivity on the issue by responding quickly, with Presidential spokesman Robert Gibbs saying Friday "there's no safer investment in the world than in the United States." Mr. Obama added Saturday that "not just the Chinese government, but every investor can have absolute confidence in the soundness of investments in the United States."

    The White House is almost certainly right that the U.S. won't default; the consequences would be too dire. But there are risks well short of formal debt repudiation. As the supply of U.S. debt increases, investors may demand a higher yield and interest rates would rise, reducing the tradable value of current Treasury bonds. The other temptation will be to inflate away the debt, which would also devalue dollar-denominated assets.

    What Mr. Wen is really saying is that even the U.S. national balance sheet has limits. The dollar is the world's reserve currency, so the U.S. has the rare privilege among nations of being able to borrow (and then repay its debts) in its own currency. America also remains the world's main safe haven in a crisis, as the flight to the dollar and T-bills in recent months underscores.

    But reserve currency status isn't a birthright and it can vanish when nations are irresponsible. Deficits are sometimes necessary to finance tax cuts and investments that promote economic growth. The tragedy of Mr. Obama's $787 billion stimulus and $410 billion 2009 budget is that they spend principally on transfer payments that have little growth payback. The U.S. received another foreign rebuke on this score this weekend, when German Chancellor Angela Merkel and other Europeans rejected Mr. Obama's calls for a comparable spending binge on the Continent.

    Mr. Wen may have been trying to placate his domestic Chinese audience, which is suffering through its own economic slowdown. Or perhaps he was trying to repay Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner for his nomination-hearing comments on Chinese currency "manipulation." Mr. Wen doesn't have much room to lecture the U.S., having done too little in his nearly six years in office to liberalize the Chinese economy.

    But the Chinese Premier is right to warn the U.S. political class that the global demand for American debt will continue only if the U.S. runs economic policies that make U.S.-dollar assets worth the risk.
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    China Debates Forex Reserves; Boosts Strategic Petroleum Reserves
    Publication: China Brief Volume: 9 Issue: 6
    March 18, 2009 06:07 PM Age: 20 hrs
    Category: China Brief, In a Fortnight, Economics, China and the Asia-Pacific, Home Page
    By: Russell Hsiao

    Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao

    A string of recent pronouncements from Beijing leaders capped off with a strong statement by Premier Wen Jiabao over his concerns for the value of China's $681.9 billion investment in U.S. Treasury bonds has highlighted a troubled Chinese leadership's outlook for 2009. Premier Wen's statement was received by analysts as a strong warning to Washington. It follows a revision in the $588 billion Chinese fiscal stimulus package (see Willy Lam's article in this issue) at the recently concluded National People's Congress (China's parliament) and the release of a joint communiqué at the close of the G-20 finance minister meeting by Brazil, India, Russia and China (BRIC). The timing of these pronouncements outlines the silhouette of China's nascent comprehensive economic strategy at home and abroad. Moreover, it is an outlay of the on-going heated debate within China over its roadmap for economic recovery and a test of Sino-U.S. relations, given China's massive $2 trillion foreign exchange reserves (China Daily, December 17, 2008).

    During the "meet-the-press" session after the close of the NPC on March 12, Premier Wen said, "We [China] lent such huge fund to the United States and of course we're concerned about the security of our assets and, to speak truthfully, I am a little bit worried." In an unusually direct appeal, Wen added, "I request the U.S. to maintain its good credit, to honor its promises and to guarantee the safety of China's assets" (Xinhua News Agency, March 13). On the issue of China's foreign reserves, Wen asserted that Beijing's primary concern will be to preserve its national interest, but he also acknowledged that, "we [China] also have to consider the stability of the overall international financial system, as the two factors are interlinked." Wen's statement linking China's national interests to stability in the international financial system were meant to allay concerns over the possible destabilizing impact of China's rise in the international system. The statement also reflects the oft-stated official position that China is a responsible stakeholder, and to brush aside any lingering expectation that China will take a leadership role in reshaping the post-Bretton Woods system.

    In an interview with the Chinese publication Economic Observer, Wu Xiaoling, vice president of the NPC Financial and Economic Affairs Committee, explained that "[China's] reserves were a form of liability that could not be directly used for public spending" (Economic Observer [China], March 13). "Though the foreign currency reserves are an asset of the central bank, they are also a liability—the central bank is indebted to society, and must be safeguarded" Wu added. Wu was also the ex-deputy governor of the central bank and former chief of the State Administration of Foreign Exchanges (SAFE), which is the administrative agency that manages the state foreign reserve system. When asked about the central government's approach to the management of its foreign reserves under the global financial crisis, Wu stressed: "ensure safety, profitability and liquidity." In the same interview, it was reported that China's account surplus declined by 27 percent year-on-year in 2008, illustrating the stress on the value of Chinese assets. "The best way to minimize [further] risk is to scale down the size of the foreign currency reserves." According to Wu, other ways the government can reduce the heavy burden of the reserves is by "setting up a Renminbi equity investment fund, or expanding trade and foreign investment" (Economic Observer, March 13).

    One sector for development clearly targeted by Beijing's diversification campaign is its strategic petroleum reserves (SPR) (China Daily, March 2; Sankei Shimbun, March 4). As early as January 2009, Zhang Guobao, head of the NEA and Vice-minister of the National Development Reform Commission, penned an article in the People's Daily saying, "The country [China] should take advantage of falling global energy prices to increase its oil reserves" (China Daily, March 2). According to a plan recently released by China's National Energy Administration (NEA), China plans to build nine large refining bases along its coastal areas over the next three years (China Daily, March 2). In a national energy conference in early February, the NEA also announced that China will build eight new strategic SPR bases on top of the current four by 2011, and increase China's strategic crude capacity from 103 million barrels (mb) to 281 mb. The four existing SPR bases are in Zhenhai, Zhoushan, Huangdao and Dalian; two confirmed venues for future SPR tanks are in Huanggao and Jinzhou; and the following venues are possible locations for the remaining six SPR tanks that are being planned to be built: Quanzhou, Shantou, Guangzhou, Bao'an, Zhanjiang, Yangpu, Yantai, Binhai, Caofeidian, Tieling, Linyuan, Lanzhou, Wanzhou and Shanshan (China Daily, March 2).

    Western analysts, however, point out that the two countries' current strategy and economic trajectory are in a knot: "If China refuses to keep buying our bonds, the value of the dollar will plunge, and so, too, will the value of China's foreign reserves held in dollars," said Peter Navarro, an associate professor of public policy at the Paul Merage School of Business, University of California, Irvine. Navarro added, "On the other hand, if China keeps buying our debt to prop up the dollar, it faces a strong likelihood that with so much fiscal stimulus and easy money coursing through the U.S. system, inflation is all but inevitable. That, too, will ultimately devalue the dollar and therefore Chinese foreign reserves. So, for the Chinese, the question is whether to cut and run now or hold on and be scalped later."

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    Quote Originally Posted by xinhui View Post
    Western analysts, however, point out that the two countries' current strategy and economic trajectory are in a knot: "If China refuses to keep buying our bonds, the value of the dollar will plunge, and so, too, will the value of China's foreign reserves held in dollars," said Peter Navarro, an associate professor of public policy at the Paul Merage School of Business, University of California, Irvine. Navarro added, "On the other hand, if China keeps buying our debt to prop up the dollar, it faces a strong likelihood that with so much fiscal stimulus and easy money coursing through the U.S. system, inflation is all but inevitable. That, too, will ultimately devalue the dollar and therefore Chinese foreign reserves. So, for the Chinese, the question is whether to cut and run now or hold on and be scalped later."
    this was the exact concern i had, at what point will china realize they are in a hole, and stop digging?

    BTW Xi no offence to you, but i cant stand that sham wow guy, i drives me nuts every time i see your post
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    Unfortunately, US government stat its paper money printing machine finally. The US national debt in China facing dramatically shrink,and sink into dilemma.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomluter View Post
    Unfortunately, US government stat its paper money printing machine finally. The US national debt in China facing dramatically shrink,and sink into dilemma.
    That's actually not true. If we were to "print money" as many people alluded to, the dollar's value would plunge and we wouldn't try to sell debt. The entire reason why we sell debt is that we don't want to print money.

    Bottom line, Chinese need to spend more and save less while Americans need to save more and spend less.
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