Should Britain adopt the Euro?

**furkensturker** · 06 Nov 11,, 23:18

[QUOTE=Mihais;842483]Tankie for Queen of England!!![/QUOTE

Please don't encourage him.

Freddie

**dave lukins** · 06 Nov 11,, 23:31

Originally Posted by tankie

Very droll Dok

,,,, 1951 , the 8TH of May , VE day , and jobs in the 60s were plentiful , as were apprenticeships

And plenty of ships to have apprenticeships to build our ships...ALL GONE

**Doktor** · 06 Nov 11,, 23:44

But it's not like someone took it from you. Rather you choose to disperse all the factories overseas to preserve the air or to sell it.

Shame.

**bigross86** · 06 Nov 11,, 23:56

Rub it in, why don't you?

**Doktor** · 07 Nov 11,, 00:01

The salt?

Well, when I was a kid I was hoping one day to drive a British car. Not a Nissan Made in UK, but MG or if lucky a Jag.

That dream is gone. Solid gone.

**dave lukins** · 07 Nov 11,, 00:22

Originally Posted by Doktor

But it's not like someone took it from you. Rather you choose to disperse all the factories overseas to preserve the air or to sell it.

Shame.

It was all sold off to the lowest bidder. Coal industry which affected the steel industry which in turn affected the shipyards all sold of by Thatcher. Rolls Royce sold off to the Germans

..I would love to be a fly on the wall when someone explains that to Churchill and Monty.

**snapper** · 07 Nov 11,, 00:41

BD1 "but - you need europe. more than they need you". Wrong. We sell them more than they sell us means whether we are in or out they will still have to trade with us. This whole arguement that 'British jobs depend on us being in the EU' is suspect to say the least. How many Chinese jobs depend on the European market? Far more than ours and yet they have access... There us no rangible reason why the UK could make a more advantageous trade agreemeent from outside the Union. Norway survives very well as does China!

**BD1** · 07 Nov 11,, 05:37

norway survives not by producing best sewing machine or motorbikes in the world. what they have - you should know it. china has so much production power uk had in victorian age... maybe.
things you sell - cars (and AFAIR that´s all, maybe Sony still has a factory in UK) - if they are foreign companies, they will move to mainland because 400 million customers is better than 80 million in the island. japanese would pack everything in and move to slovakia for example. the Creative Financing - well this one is bit in a iffy state all over the world at the moment. pharmaceuticals - according to wiki - well this one is probably in the best shape, and probably getting better

**snapper** · 07 Nov 11,, 18:34

What you think the European Free Trade Association (EFTA) is? Switzerland, Iceland and Norway can and do all trade freely with the EU.

**BD1** · 07 Nov 11,, 19:40

that´s one hell of a powerhouse there, comparable in influence to eu, china , usa. and now the Faroe islands are thinking of joining too.... soo...you would be happy in position of Norway - having to syncronize everything you do, your laws etc. with EU and have no way to influence those rules that apply to you?

**snapper** · 08 Nov 11,, 10:45

The naevity that thinks that being in the EU gives you 'infuence'. The UK Parliament just gets 'directives'. You can't argue with them. This is the eternal apology of those who would defend an undemocratic and corrupt institution.

Just to give you an idea of the corruption and waste. The EU Parliament in Strasburg (cost 300m Euros) is used 4 days per month! In 2007 an MEP could fly London to Brussels for about £40. On arrival he/she could claim £800! I'd commute daily from London! £3,800 p.w in fight expenses alone.

At least Norway etc get a choice as to whether they comply with 'directives', they don't make contributions to the corruption fund and don't have to change their Government to suit a Troika. Odd how the seem better off.

**Doktor** · 08 Nov 11,, 11:06

Snapper, it is certainly better to be in then out. Especially if you have to adopt/impement whatever EU/EP/Troika decides.

As for corruption, don't you have it in UK?

**~~vsdoc~~** · 08 Nov 11,, 11:14

Originally Posted by Doktor

The salt?

Well, when I was a kid I was hoping one day to drive a British car. Not a Nissan Made in UK, but MG or if lucky a Jag.

That dream is gone. Solid gone.

You can still ride Royal Enfields and drive Range Rovers made in India though, so chin up.

**dave lukins** · 08 Nov 11,, 11:33

Originally Posted by Doktor

Snapper, it is certainly better to be in then out. Especially if you have to adopt/impement whatever EU/EP/Troika decides.

As for corruption, don't you have it in UK?

Our own corruption cost enough without having to pay for the corruption elsewhere. We are known as the Dustbin of Europe but don't take advantage of our criminal generosity.