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Reply With Quotei think we do to the same extent as you do.i live in north america for several years,do you really think you have a choice to change your government,dont be naive my friend.that's all facade.
where did you hear that?you have very little knowledge about chinese culture and history,what you describe is called株连法,abolished more than 100 years ago,china now is the fastest growing economy in the whole world,the whole nation and people prosper,that counts most in people's mind.that's the reason according to various international polls,chinese people are the most optimistic and giving the government the best credit for the goverance.if the unit fails to report criminal activities of its member, the unit is punished collectively
i think we do to the same extent as you do.i live in north america for several years,do you really think you have a choice to change your government,dont be naive my friend.that's all facade.
I am interested in learning more on this matter, can you explain more...Originally Posted by haidian
i dont have to explain common sense,if you think as an average person you can change your government policy.ok,suit yourself.some so called democractic government spend too much time on bargaining and fighting againist each other,over every motion and proposal,forever delay everything.all talk,no action.polls show most chinese people are very happy with the way this government is doing.as long as the government can keep its people happy,they would be safe.
What are you talking about?
That guy was asking what the Chinese government would do to soften the negative impacts of the abolishment of the Hukou system.
What common you are talking, you follow whatever CCP tells you as gospel. I think your mind has so brainwashed that, you don't know the power of voting.
I can not change my government policy, but if me and like me many more people in my country is not happy with government, we all together can topple that government in next election. You guys don't have a choice at all, I think you guys have a habit of being ruled by others. Don't know what is mean by human rights, democratic rights and more importantly don't know what democracy is and what voting power is.
Read the following link thoroughly and understand what democracy is, before commenting you also have a choice to the same extent as North American people.
Democracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I don't know what you are referring to. The ancient Hukou system was also meant to be an instrument of tax collection and land management.
The CCP does sometimes use the Hukou system to curb political uprising. However, it also is and can be used to curb crimes and excessively rapid rural-urban migration. The Hukou system is not only about mind and social control.
Also, as I and many other posters have said before, the Hukou system is being abolished because it created social tension (because it violates human rights and makes people angry). However, we must bear in mind that an overnight abolishment of the system may do more harm and good.
i lived in the united states for more than 5 years and i know what is like,that's why i made the above comment.i have to say your country is a dismal example for so called democracy and more and more china is becoming a role model for many developing countries.go to any chinese forums to ask them wether they like the present government or an indianlike government,you will know the answer in no time.
Reading the comments from Americans in this forum, I have different understanding.
Some American posters even explained, if people are not happy with elected representative, they can call for re-election, provided they have sufficient number for petition.
Regarding my countries political situation, whatever bad state it is in, I would like to live in a democracy that in a commie ruled country.
I better live like a poor, but for me my human rights are important.
Regarding Chinese forum, you better re-read Ray sir's comments on "Frog in the well". (Don't want to start another flame war on this issue, Chinese posters please don't get offended)
You are certainly right to say Chinese have a habit of being ruled by others. This is exactly what leading thinkers have been talking about since the May-Fourth Movement (right after the WWI).
However, I do understand why many 'enlightened' mainland Chinese are worried about democratization. They welcome democracy, but don't want the country to do too much too fast. This view surely has been encouraged by the CCP indoctrination, but there is some truth in it.
Personally, I think China should not democratize now, but the government should really start to create a 'favourable' environment for democratization. The CCP is just using the 'inappropriateness of democratization' as an excuse to continue its repressive policies and indoctrination. In my opinion, the fact that the current condition does not favour democratization is by no means an excuse for the CCP to perpetuate such condition.
I understand your feeling. However, I only consider democracy as an instrument for right protection instead of a right in itself.
If an authoritarian government can somehow achieve what democracy is supposed to achieve (e.g. prosperity and social welfare), I guess many Chinese (and also Hong Kong and Singaporeans) will get satisfied. I would not be surprised, because to some extent I am also one of those people.
If you are talking about feelings, you should really respect other people's feeling. 'Frog in the well' won't do any good.
Completely agree with you.
Does Chinese people think CCP is going to create 'favourable' environment for democratization in the near future?
An offtopic question, request to answer in another thread
What is your take on this issue,
http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/sou...in-s-mace.html
What does Chinese people think about its Govt role in NSG waiver to India?
ok,then,it is people's rights?right,we are happy with the country now,and proud of it especially after this olympics,we got the most gold and become the number one in sports.and we have a lot of catch up work to do in many other field and we know it and on the fast track to do it.
as for you to be a proud indian,that's also very good,it is your right.i guess no chinese like to live in india and the opposite is also true,except there are some indians living in hongkong.
and the truth is most chinese people are happy.happy to experience the rising of the nation ,get rich and enjoy life.you indians can also enjoy your life in another way,that's ok,but no need to accuse other people's way of living.believe me ,we dont want to swop.
I did not intend to heart any Chinese with that comment, but some times I get upset seeing outright support for dictatorship. That too from people who don't know what voting right is.
What do you say about this article?If an authoritarian government can somehow achieve what democracy is supposed to achieve (e.g. prosperity and social welfare), I guess many Chinese (and also Hong Kong and Singaporeans) will get satisfied. I would not be surprised, because to some extent I am also one of those people.
Since you are in Hong Kong, you may have better idea.
What guarantee you can give that, even after all the achievemnt the authoritarian government will not do any mistake like cultural revolution in future?
In democracy, at least you can change the Govt once in 5 years.
Hong Kong Votes for Democracy
FROM TODAY'S WALL STREET JOURNAL ASIA
September 9, 2008
Hong Kongers have suffered one delay after another on their path to full democracy since the territory's return to China in 1997. But that hasn't snuffed out their democratic spirit. Witness the results of Sunday's legislative elections.
Pro-democracy parties won 23 seats in the 60-member Legislative Council elections. That's down from 25 after the last election in 2004. But that's not the number that matters. Half of the legislature is appointed by special interest groups loyal to Beijing. The other half is directly elected by the people. In those seats, the democrats won 19 of 30, gaining a seat from the 2004 results. The democrats' losses came only from the ranks of special-interest legislators.
The result maintains the crucial veto pro-democracy parties have wielded over constitutional reforms by denying the pro-Beijing parties a 40-seat supermajority. This won't force Government House to push ahead with democracy faster, but it will keep Beijing from pushing any antidemocratic electoral "reforms."
Within the democratic movement, this election also marks a changing of the guard of sorts. Its best-known figureheads have left -- Democratic Party founder Martin Lee and former bureaucrat Anson Chan, both of whom announced their retirements before the election. Sunday's results thus give a mandate to a new generation of democratic voices in the legislature, like Kam Nai-wai, a 47-year-old social worker and member of the Democratic Party just elected to represent Hong Kong Island.
The result is also a slap in the face to the Democratic Alliance for the Betterment and Progress of Hong Kong (DAB), the largest pro-Beijing group that campaigned for seats. The DAB is better funded and better organized than the pro-democracy crowd. In the run-up to Sunday's vote, the DAB blanketed the territory with advertisements. Chief Executive Donald Tsang did his part, too, rolling out a package of largesse including expanded electricity discounts, and hosting a star tour by China's Olympic athletes. Yet those efforts yielded only eight directly elected seats.
Voters clearly were frustrated with the government's economic record. Ahead of Sunday's polls, a Hong Kong University Public Opinion Programme poll found 87% of voters said their decision would be driven by "livelihood" issues like housing and education, while 77% said they were "focusing" on economic policies. Little wonder: inflation is running 6.3% and GDP growth slowed to 4.2% in the second quarter, from 7.3% in the first.
On their face, the pro-Beijing and democratic policy platforms weren't that far apart. Unfortunately, both favor imposing a minimum wage and enacting a competition law. The key difference was that democrats also campaigned on holding Mr. Tsang's administration accountable for its perceived policy blunders. This suggests that Hong Kongers understand better than some of their leaders the relationship between democracy and prosperity.
Skeptics will note that turnout, at about 45%, was 10 percentage points lower than in the last general election, in 2004. But Hong Kong's turnout was still high by the standards of some other democracies. In 2006 in the U.S., when a very unpopular executive faced a legislative election, only 41% of voters turned out. So it's hard to argue that Hong Kongers are not interested in democracy now.
Sunday's election is another reminder that the territory deserves a democratic system worthy of its voters.
Hong Kong Votes for Democracy - WSJ.com
I am not accusing any Chinese here, don't make blanket statement like that.
Show me one post where I have accused Chinese. Certainly I have criticized CCP.
I don't think you can speak for most of Chinese people.
You may have that view, but not all chinese.
I think people who died in tiananmen square did not held the same view as yours.
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