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    CNN reporter criticizes TSA, finds self on terror watch list

    CNN reporter criticizes TSA, finds self on terror watch list
    David Edwards and Nick Juliano
    Published: Wednesday July 16, 2008

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    The post-9/11 airline watch list that is supposed to keep terrorists off of airplanes has swelled to more than 1 million names, including at least one investigative reporter who had been critical of the Transportation Security Agency, which maintains the watch list.

    CNN's Drew Griffin reported on the bloating of the watch list, which an ACLU count pegged at 1,001,308 names Wednesday afternoon. Griffin's is one of those names, he says.

    "Coincidentally, this all began in May, shortly after I began a series of investigative reports critical of the TSA. Eleven flights now since May 19. On different airlines, my name pops up forcing me to go to the counter, show my identification, sometimes the agent has to make a call before I get my ticket," Griffin reported. "What does the TSA say? Nothing, at least nothing on camera. Over the phone a public affairs worker told me again I'm not on the watch list, and don't even think that someone in the TSA or anyone else is trying to get even."

    The TSA, which is a part of the Department of Homeland Security, said Griffin's name wasn't even on the watch list, and the agency blamed the airlines for the delays the reporter experienced. The airlines, on the other hand, said they were simply following a list provided by TSA.

    While it wouldn't be much of a stretch for plenty of people to believe the TSA would exercise its revenge via watch-list meddling, an agency spokesman insists that just isn't the case.

    "So if there's any thought or shadow of a thought that TSA somehow put you on a watch list because of your reporting," spokesman Christopher White said, "it is absolutely fabricated."

    This video is from CNN's American Morning, broadcast July 16, 2008
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    At least he wasn't targetted because of his skin color, religious affiliation, race, ethnicity, height, weight, or any other such immutable characteristics.

    What do the liberals tell us? No racial profiling, in fact no profiling at all. We should treat everyone with equal suspicion. Christians are as dangerous as muslims. An old woman from Smallville, USA is as valid a target of suspicion as a young man from Pakistan booking a 1-way ticket from Dallas to New York.

    I think TSA did the right thing to follow ACLU and CAIR's recommendations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnut View Post
    At least he wasn't targetted because of his skin color, religious affiliation, race, ethnicity, height, weight, or any other such immutable characteristics.

    What do the liberals tell us? No racial profiling, in fact no profiling at all. We should treat everyone with equal suspicion. Christians are as dangerous as muslims. An old woman from Smallville, USA is as valid a target of suspicion as a young man from Pakistan booking a 1-way ticket from Dallas to New York.

    I think TSA did the right thing to follow ACLU and CAIR's recommendations.
    Well racial profiling will never work. Islam is a pretty diverse religion. The person that did the most damage during the "7/7" London bombings was a Jamaican black man

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Six View Post
    Well racial profiling will never work. Islam is a pretty diverse religion. The person that did the most damage during the "7/7" London bombings was a Jamaican black man
    Racial profiling might not work, but religious profiling might.

    I thought the 7/7 bombings were conducted by Pakistanis?
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    Well most of them were, but one of the bombers wasn't.

    To think the guy was my age when he blew himself up. Silly bastard converting to that religion of all the ones to convert to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Six View Post
    Well most of them were, but one of the bombers wasn't.

    To think the guy was my age when he blew himself up. Silly bastard converting to that religion of all the ones to convert to.
    Then Gunnut is right, religious profiling may work better than racial profiling
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    No, racial profiling would ALSO work.

    All the anecdotes in the world that make the opposite point notwithstanding, remember what profiling actually is: an attempt to increase your odds at spotting THAT ONE GUY that needs to be identified.

    So, yeah, racial profiling IS valid for that, and the fact that we don't do it out of some misplaced sensitivity is mind-blowing. We are in a war to the knife, and EVERY SINGLE THING we can do to increase our odds of winning it - racial profiling, waterboarding, or the use of nukes - MUST be considered. When they work against us, we don't use 'em. But when they work FOR us - with all factors weighed - we MUST use them. Anything else is immoral.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluesman View Post
    We are in a war to the knife
    War To The Knife

    And The Knife To The Hilt

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    This is the truth: it is immoral to lose a just war. Our fight against Radical Islam is the single most justifiable war in history. To lose it would be criminal, and a universal death penalty is the sentence. There is no appeal process.

    We simply must win, and nothing is beyond consideration to do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluesman View Post
    No, racial profiling would ALSO work.

    All the anecdotes in the world that make the opposite point notwithstanding, remember what profiling actually is: an attempt to increase your odds at spotting THAT ONE GUY that needs to be identified.

    So, yeah, racial profiling IS valid for that, and the fact that we don't do it out of some misplaced sensitivity is mind-blowing. We are in a war to the knife, and EVERY SINGLE THING we can do to increase our odds of winning it - racial profiling, waterboarding, or the use of nukes - MUST be considered. When they work against us, we don't use 'em. But when they work FOR us - with all factors weighed - we MUST use them. Anything else is immoral.
    I don't know how you'd racially profile a religion like Islam.

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    Harass the Hindus, Sikhs, Hasidic Jews, and Eastern Orthodox..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluesman View Post
    No, racial profiling would ALSO work.

    All the anecdotes in the world that make the opposite point notwithstanding, remember what profiling actually is: an attempt to increase your odds at spotting THAT ONE GUY that needs to be identified.

    So, yeah, racial profiling IS valid for that, and the fact that we don't do it out of some misplaced sensitivity is mind-blowing. We are in a war to the knife, and EVERY SINGLE THING we can do to increase our odds of winning it - racial profiling, waterboarding, or the use of nukes - MUST be considered. When they work against us, we don't use 'em. But when they work FOR us - with all factors weighed - we MUST use them. Anything else is immoral.
    Sir,
    I see your point but do you think Asian Hindus,Jews,Buddhists,Jains or anyone else would remotely have the same probability of being involved in a terror attack than an Asian Muslim?What am trying to ask is wouldnt religious profiling be more effective than racial profiling considering a Pakistani Muslim and an Indian Christian would racially be of the same stock?
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    To treat every one equaly, and profile no one, but stop EVERYONE, is all very nice when you have unlimited recourses AND money. BUT in the real world we have to do the best we can with what we have. And that means you have to pick out those for checking that have the best odds of catching the terrorist.

    And history has shown that terrorist are unlikely to be 2 meter, blond, North Europeans. Nor are they likely to be Japanese, or Inuit.

    Therefore racial profiling is the best option for the recources available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by von Spreuth View Post
    To treat every one equaly, and profile no one, but stop EVERYONE, is all very nice when you have unlimited recourses AND money. BUT in the real world we have to do the best we can with what we have. And that means you have to pick out those for checking that have the best odds of catching the terrorist.

    And history has shown that terrorist are unlikely to be 2 meter, blond, North Europeans. Nor are they likely to be Japanese, or Inuit.
    Therefore racial profiling is the best option for the recources available.
    Is that the reason the Bader Meinhof have ceased to exist(apart from the suicides)

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    And Aum Shinrikyo wasnt that long ago either..
    uh I might be wrong


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