Thread: CNN reporter criticizes TSA, finds self on terror watch list

Originally Posted by gunnut

Have you ever talked to a police or any type of security personnel? Being on the job for a while and/or getting trained in the area gives them a better understanding on who and what to look for. That's part of profiling. Looking at a turban is not profiling. Looking at multitude of factors for signs of suspicious behavior is profiling.

How is suspicious behavior related to racial or religious profiling? Is a particular behavior only disturbing when done by people of a certain religious or racial group?

My point is that racial and religious grouping is too wide a net and in the end achieves nothing. Intelligence on disaffected members of society which can best be obtained by the local police is the only way of really stopping things like this. At a checkpoint itself behavior is the only thing to go on. Not color and certainly not religion which is very hard to discern.

I'm beginning to think you are just arguing for argument's sake.

I'm beginning to think the same about you. So at the least we could walk away feeling equally pissed.

Originally Posted by gunnut

"Racial profiling" is a term concocted by the liberals to confuse the issue. It's like "partial birth abortion" (there's no such thing) and "military style assault rifle" (if it looks bad, it's bad).

Damn those prissy liberals, they should know better than shouting inconvenient facts all the time


Didn't get the other 2 references though. What the hell is a military "style" assault rifle? I thought the terms "assault rifle", "battle rifles" etc. were more dependent on doctrine than pure characteristics of the rfle itself.

Originally Posted by chankya

How is suspicious behavior related to racial or religious profiling? Is a particular behavior only disturbing when done by people of a certain religious or racial group?

My point is that racial and religious grouping is too wide a net and in the end achieves nothing. Intelligence on disaffected members of society which can best be obtained by the local police is the only way of really stopping things like this. At a checkpoint itself behavior is the only thing to go on. Not color and certainly not religion which is very hard to discern.

Let's play this game. When I use the term "islamic extremists" what comes to your mind?

Originally Posted by antimony

Damn those prissy liberals, they should know better than shouting inconvenient facts all the time

Actually "partial birth abortion" is a term conjured up by conservative christians to make "late term" abortion sound more barbaric. The procedure involves inducing (?) labor and kill the fetus when its head is just outside the birth canal. Hence the term "partial" birth.

Originally Posted by antimony

Didn't get the other 2 references though. What the hell is a military "style" assault rifle? I thought the terms "assault rifle", "battle rifles" etc. were more dependent on doctrine than pure characteristics of the rfle itself.

"Military style assault rifle" is a term conjured up by gun grabbers who want to take away our right to own guns piecemeal. Banning one type of firearm at a time and eventually they'll get them all. The term refers to civilian versions of military assault rifles. They aren't really "assault" rifles any more since they lack the selective fire ability. They still retain the general shape of an assault rifle though. They have a pistol grip, bayonet lug, flash hider, some have folding/retractable stock, and all have detachable magazines. A rifle that has 3 out of these characteristics is deemed "military style" assault rifle, and subject to the 1994 Clinton gun ban.

A Mini-14 doesn't have a pistol grip, doesn't have a bayonet lug, doens't have a flash hider, doesn't have folding/retractable stock, but has a detachable magazine, so 4 out of 5 makes it NOT an assault rifle. As you can see how utterly idiotic the liberal commie's definition of a "military style assault rifle" is.

Originally Posted by gunnut

Actually "partial birth abortion" is a term conjured up by conservative christians to make "late term" abortion sound more barbaric.

Not exactly. Late term abortion covers all abortions that occur late in the pregnancy, often defined as in the third trimester. Partial birth abortion refers primarily to the procedure known as intact dilation and extraction.

Originally Posted by gunnut

Have you ever talked to a police or any type of security personnel? Being on the job for a while and/or getting trained in the area gives them a better understanding on who and what to look for. That's part of profiling. Looking at a turban is not profiling. Looking at multitude of factors for signs of suspicious behavior is profiling.

Right.

It is called "a coppers nose" in the U.K. You just get a feeling for these things. Can not be SO bad, 75% of stops and searches reveal SOMETHING, even if it was not what you were origionaly thinking of.

Originally Posted by chankya

How is suspicious behavior related to racial or religious profiling? Is a particular behavior only disturbing when done by people of a certain religious or racial group?

Muslim gets down on knees and prays in the airport lounge, before "forgetting" his twenty kilo ruck sack, and runs out of the door shouting something about No ham head.

THAT kind of thing you mean?

Originally Posted by ArmchairGeneral

Not exactly. Late term abortion covers all abortions that occur late in the pregnancy, often defined as in the third trimester. Partial birth abortion refers primarily to the procedure known as intact dilation and extraction.

Ah OK. Thanks for the clarification.

Originally Posted by antimony

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To give a parallel example, if you come down heaviliy on gun ownership and give the police the right to confiscate guns from gun owners who do not have their paperwork to a t or who do not meet the definition of mental soundness, I can bet that we would reduce gun crime. Would you be willing to accept the implications of that?
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I am not for profiling, never mind whether I am a "target profile" or not. In my opinion religious profiling is also not correct, you are placing the vast number of peaceful muslims under suspicion needlessly. That would increase the chances of pushing them to the "dark side" even more.

No, in that case gun crime would increase markedly. Just as in your later example of muslims, making felons of millions of peaceful gun owners would create a large new group of instant criminals. Some of them would decide "in for a penny, in for a pound," and crime in general would skyrocket.