Thanks for answering, although I was trying to walk AnaA through the reasoningOriginally Posted by Xiaohaha
So, the companies that manufacture overseas have an incentive to make sure they meet quality standards.
In this case, the production facility used for the Mattel toys had served Mattel well for years without any problems (at least problems that weren't identified and corrected prior to acceptance of the production orders), and so there was a proven record of compliance and meeting standards. However, all it took was for a subcontractor of the factory (the paint provider) to screw up the supply chain and reveal that Mattel didn't have all the necessary checks in place or had become complacent.
In the end, cutting costs is the reason to move facilities to new locations, whether it's across state boundaries or across international boundaries. Just like individuals who work for the money, companies do the same thing - they work for money.
"So little pains do the vulgar take in the investigation of truth, accepting readily the first story that comes to hand." Thucydides 1.20.3
I guess they were blinded by all the money they could make and weren't looking at things like safety. They just didn't want to spend the money upfront, and thought only of the profits coming their way. Then it caught up with them. By law, they have to pull them off the shelves, as they're hazardous.
Those 1 million toys that were pulled probably cost them approximately $5-15 million to make. If they have to be pulled from shelves for safety concerns, then the company makes $0 and loses millions of dollars. Do you seriously think that they didn't care about the safety of the toys?
It's obvious in hindsight that there inspection procedures were not failsafe, but if you've been using the same inspection process for a few years with a particular plant and haven't had major issues, what is your most likely conclusion - our inspection procedures are inadequate or our inspection procedures are adequate?
"So little pains do the vulgar take in the investigation of truth, accepting readily the first story that comes to hand." Thucydides 1.20.3
They were doing what was necessary under the circumstances, but they're still guilty of taking jobs from America for the purposes of boosting their bottom line, and not giving a thought to the unemployed or underemployed people they leave to fend for themselves once they go.
Now that we shown that their incentive, derived from the profit motive, is to provide safe toys as opposed to anything flies (and they won't survive as a business if they allow tainted toys to make it through again), let's move on to this "right" to jobs.
(As a sidenote, I'd argue that their decision to move production to lands afar actually increases employment in an economy, but we can shelve that discussion for later.)
So, do you feel that employment at a company is a lifetime right? If so, where does this right derive from, and is there then a reciprocal right for a company to prevent an employee from moving on to better opportunities since they cannot do this?
Next, is it fair to reduce my choice by limiting where goods can be produced and to prevent me the option of purchasing cheaper goods by preventing domestic companies from relocating overseas?
Thanks.
Last edited by Shek; 15 Apr 08, at 04:02.
"So little pains do the vulgar take in the investigation of truth, accepting readily the first story that comes to hand." Thucydides 1.20.3
so,maybe you are the spokeswoman for all chinese
Sorry I am travelling these days
So you are the spokes man of bashing on China
The thing is as you said, every country has its own problem, but seems now it's kinda popular to put everything on China, pollution? China's fault; Food price raising? China's fault; Aliens hi-jacking human kids, must be China's fault too
Talking about human rights, just talked with some Indian's on a big exhibition couple of days ago, so when are Indian's planning to start to get the right to chose your own Wife/Husband?
Plus, he also told me that to run a factory in India is so diffcult because power failure is so often, it cost to much to start and stop the facotry that often.
And guess if you have more power what is coming next? Co2 emmission and Pollution, welcome to the industrial world
Well, atleast the governemtn does not "sanction" the right to choose ones wife/husband. We didnt have a cultural revolution like you did, so may be we will never have "that" right.Talking about human rights, just talked with some Indian's on a big exhibition couple of days ago, so when are Indian's planning to start to get the right to chose your own Wife/Husband?
Thank you very much in letting us know about how to run a factory, we are doing fine. Though it is true that power cuts are in India, it isnt much different from China, which is also under power crunch.Plus, he also told me that to run a factory in India is so diffcult because power failure is so often, it cost to much to start and stop the facotry that often.
Even then there are too many NGO's in India that would make sure that India will not turn in to a land of poisoned milk and honey.And guess if you have more power what is coming next? Co2 emmission and Pollution, welcome to the industrial world
A grain of wheat eclipsed the sun of Adam !!
Hehe, make sure you know what "Cultural Revolution" is about first then you may talk about it ;p Forgot about Mr. Ray's comrade joke so quick? ;p
Btw, FYI, this right comes after 1949, the new China established, nothing to do with the so called revolution ;p
One more thing, when are you planning to change this since the rest of the world has the right to choose whom to love and marry ;p
Sorry, so far I havn't heard any of the Chinese facotry owners complaining about it :D
NGO is so great!!!! I wonder why in US there's something called FDA :D
Plus, I wonder the street food you buy in india can meet any hygiene standard, or it's just nobody check them)
Oh I very well know bout cultural revolution, I dont need a "Mao" to "re-educate" me, unlike you.
Ignorance is a bliss. The govt doesnt need to "give" me the right to marry the person I love. I dont need to get "permission" from the govt. Oh well, I cant expect much from a Chinese comrade, can IBtw, FYI, this right comes after 1949, the new China established, nothing to do with the so called revolution ;p One more thing, when are you planning to change this since the rest of the world has the right to choose whom to love and marry ;p
Again, ignorance in bliss. Now read and weep, you are no different from rest of the world.Sorry, so far I havn't heard any of the Chinese facotry owners complaining about it :D
This is hot from the press
BEIJING, April 22 (Reuters) - China's power demand this year could outpace supply by up to 10 gigawatts (GW), with temporary brownouts hitting parts of the south during the summer, the deputy head of the country's power regulator said on Tuesday.
China's power firms are building new power stations each year but coal burning generators are struggling with soaring fuel costs, an over-stretched domestic transport system and strong competition for supplies.
UPDATE 1-China sees 2008 power shortfall at 10 GW | Markets | ReutersChinese state media are reporting a nationwide power shortfall of 70 gigawatts, which is equivalent to the entire generating capacity of Britain. As a result, brownouts (lowered voltages) have hit at least 13 provinces.
"China Electric Power News" says an intermittent blackout that started earlier this week in the central city, Wuhan, is the city's worst since 1997. Other affected areas include the manufacturing hub, Guangdong, and the coal heartland, Shanxi.
China Plagued by Power ShortagesAs if FDA gets in to individual tins to find out, if it had, it wouldn't have allowed the tainted food and drugs from China enter in to the US thats has killed a number of animals. India has its own food safety laws.NGO is so great!!!! I wonder why in US there's something called FDA :D
Plus, I wonder the street food you buy in india can meet any hygiene standard, or it's just nobody check them
Also what does co2 emission and pollution has to do with FDA??
And why is that you are comparing US and India when we are talking about China ??
A grain of wheat eclipsed the sun of Adam !!
Spokeswoman?
Meet me and you will realise that you are taking to a Hot Rod!!
Not my preference, but no harm to prove a point!
They say the Chinese are cute!!
Or better still, I will ask a trooper of mine to tell you what is reality!!
"Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."
I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.
HAKUNA MATATA
Aha chum, half-century do you live in?Talking about human rights, just talked with some Indian's on a big exhibition couple of days ago, so when are Indian's planning to start to get the right to chose your own Wife/Husband?
My parent chose and guess what?
They broke these barriers and are not from the same community!
I chose and so did my children.
Notwithstanding,there are arranged marriages.
Do let us know what is wrong with it?
If someone has no objection and if someone wants it that way, can some one oppose? Would opposing not be taken as a human rights violation?
It is so simple. The cultural ethos is so strong still, that many in India still want it that way. I am not talking of parents. I am talking of those who want to get married.
Have you heard of Sharukh Khan and Ameer Khan, (filmstars) who are Moslems and yet have Hindu wives?
Arranged, is it?
So, sweetheart, isn't it time for you to smell the coffee?
Please don't substitute you waste orifice for brains!!
Last edited by Ray; 28 Apr 08, at 21:16.
"Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."
I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.
HAKUNA MATATA
[QUOTE=Jay;489949]Oh I very well know bout cultural revolution, I dont need a "Mao" to "re-educate" me, unlike you.
You know it? Oh, good. But it doesn't seem so from your threads, sorry ;p
Who mentioned anything about government authorize you to get married? Ignorance or alexia? So why some india hasn't got the right(seems Ray can do that) please explain ;p Is this a part of human rights? Are we talking about Human Rights instead of Govt Rights?
Wowo, these are news I have never seen , great, you opened my view ;p
Again , Alexia or logic problem? I said, so far I havn't heard any factory complain about it, and the news you provide showed the gap, not irregularly power shut, aren't they? ;p
Oops, I know it's a bit diffcult for you to see the point ;pAlso what does co2 emission and pollution has to do with FDA??
And why is that you are comparing US and India when we are talking about China ??
OK, I leave it here plain text: when a problem happens in China, it's the bloody evil CCP and stupid Chinese problem; When it happens somewhere else, it's just a flaw, and it will disappear sooner or later, no problem at all :D
India cars, not safe? No problem, it's saving cost;
India food Hygeine standard? What the heck FDA, you have your own standard , and Chinese standard? That's crap;
Rights? It's historical problem, rights in China? It's not historical problem.
Wow, perfect logic, isn't it?
[QUOTE][QUOTE]Maybe you suffer from selective amnesia.You know it? Oh, good. But it doesn't seem so from your threads, sorry ;p
You are the one who is confused by your CCP propaganda about India.Who mentioned anything about government authorize you to get married? Ignorance or alexia? So why some india hasn't got the right(seems Ray can do that) please explain ;p Is this a part of human rights? Are we talking about Human Rights instead of Govt Rights?
In India (I do not know what's it in Red China) we have free choice. Some marry because of love, and some by the great Indian civilisation, its glorious culture and its pristine traditions, marry as per their parents choice where they too have a say!!
The Govt has no role in personal affairs in India.
If a factory complained in China it would be an immediate re-education or so we learn from the ''evil'' capitalist media and not from the glorious peasants and workers govt of China.Wowo, these are news I have never seen , great, you opened my view ;p
Again , Alexia or logic problem? I said, so far I havn't heard any factory complain about it, and the news you provide showed the gap, not irregularly power shut, aren't they? ;p
Oh yes, these ''evil'' non Chinese!!Oops, I know it's a bit diffcult for you to see the point ;p
OK, I leave it here plain text: when a problem happens in China, it's the bloody evil CCP and stupid Chinese problem; When it happens somewhere else, it's just a flaw, and it will disappear sooner or later, no problem at all :D
India cars, not safe? No problem, it's saving cost;
India food Hygeine standard? What the heck FDA, you have your own standard , and Chinese standard? That's crap;
Rights? It's historical problem, rights in China? It's not historical problem.
Wow, perfect logic, isn't it?
"Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."
I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.
HAKUNA MATATA
Really, how many of my posts did you read, stalker?
Why did you compare arranged marriages with human rights? Does it has any relevance? If the boy and the girl decide on what their parents want them to do, is it a human rights violation?Who mentioned anything about government authorize you to get married? Ignorance or alexia? So why some india hasn't got the right(seems Ray can do that) please explain ;p Is this a part of human rights? Are we
talking about Human Rights instead of Govt Rights?
The real violation is forceful abortion of babies by your comrades in rural China. I hope you read the BBC article on that.
Whats alexia? And lets see who's illogical here...if there is a gap in electricity generation, how would they compensate it? Do the CCP comrades turn the generators and increase generation?Wowo, these are news I have never seen , great, you opened my view ;p
Again , Alexia or logic problem? I said, so far I havn't heard any factory complain about it, and the news you provide showed the gap, not irregularly power shut, aren't they? ;p
Since, you dont have access to google, let me open your "eyes", there are plenty of links from 2004, 2005 and this is from 2007. With the gap in generation, it will be the same this summer. Now, can you hear the complaint lous enough??
An official at Chien-chi Electronic Co Ltd in Panyu told XFN-Asia that power supplies to his plant had been cut for two to three hours per day since April.
'At the peak electricity consumption hours, 12:00 to 1:00 pm and 4:00 to 6:00 pm, we are not given power,' the factory official said.
He added that most factories in Panyu are similarly affected now.
Industry officials said that a number of other areas have been hit by shortages though they said the problem is not province-wide.
China's Guangdong faces power cuts due to outdated grid, generator shutdowns - Forbes.comYeah, what ever CCP does is a problem for everyone, dont hate me, hate CCP for thatOK, I leave it here plain text: when a problem happens in China, it's the bloody evil CCP and stupid Chinese problem; When it happens somewhere else, it's just a flaw, and it will disappear sooner or later, no problem at all :D
Indians did'nt export them to Europe and got their a$$ kicked like Cherry.India cars, not safe? No problem, it's saving cost;
I didnt say that, FDA did.India food Hygeine standard? What the heck FDA, you have your own standard , and Chinese standard? That's crap;
Rights in China is CCP's problem, I dont care about it being historical.Rights? It's historical problem, rights in China? It's not historical problem.Wow, perfect logic, isn't it?
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