Texans Report Seeing UFO

**tankie** · 18 Jan 08, 06:52

Originally Posted by Expat Canuck

I don't believe in god exactly like the books say. I just kinda think that maybe someone or something is watching. Maybe some super evolved thingo that is just energy but is aware and can influence? I have no idea, I'm not dead yet but when I am I'll see what I can do to post my findings....

I love this topic especially because it confuses the hell out of me. It's so hard for me to wrap my head around infinate and what is on the other side of the universe and all the possiblitites!! I really do hope we get reincarnated or something because I want to see it all!!!

Keep the theories and links coming, this is a fun read.

) It confuses the hell out of me as well Expat , OOe has offered up ( and i can not deny what he says ) an explanation as to space curvature , and the Einstein theories and provided a link , as to which at this mo i have not read but will ? as i have read the post from Pari , gee thanks for that Pari , a contradiction to Einstein , awww crap , i know light bends as i have read that , and have seen it demonstrated by Hubble photo,s , but what grips me is as the Col says , ok ( and i do admire him and thank him for stating his case and posting the links , in a way that defines a true gentleman and not a , screw you jack im right person ) that if we as an object start of at one point and travel in a straight line ( but light bends , and to observe us in that straight line we need light , so how can we end up back where we started as light bends ,???? maybe only if we can travel faster than light , so then we become invisible and unobservable (space travel conquered maybe ) ?????????? ) we will eventually arrive back at the same point , ie the curvature , ok , then , if thats true , whats on the outside of the curve ?

Col , i am not in any way trying to take the piss here , im trying to logicaly( or maybe not to others ) understand it , simply put , if space hits a wall , whats behind the wall ? or outside the bubble , is it the 4th dim or maybe more ? does that make space an ever expanding olympic symbol ? Or do we live in parralel universes ?? .

Im sooooooooooo glad you refered to reincarnation in conjunction with all this , as its one of the reasons i started the re,in , thread / Universe , God,s , Reincarnation , all intertwined ???? , but why do you have to be dead to get the answers Expat , Doris Stokes has never came back with answers as of yet ? But maybe she has gone to the twilight zone ?

But hey , ya never know , right im off to read the link . Beam me up , or down , or round and round Scotty .

**Officer of Engineers** · 18 Jan 08, 06:55

Originally Posted by Blademaster

Now the next question is: how the hell we do observe it and measure it and make it something tangible? Unless we can do that, all of this is purely theoretical conjecture, abstract.

Quite a few people can visualize this (I'm not one of them) but the math works.

Originally Posted by Blademaster

But I can see how people can argue that the universe is basically a curve sphere and that if you go far enough you will end up where you belong. If that's the case, we need to find our fourth dimension version of the shortest distance like a curve on the surface of the sphere is the shortest distance where a straight diagonal is the shortest distance on a plane. It seems that in order to get the shortest distance, we have to somehow step out of the box, if you will.

I can't remember if I ever studied the methodologies to find the shortest distance but there are ways to avoid the longest distance.

Originally Posted by Blademaster

That means, it will remain abstract and theoretical unless we can discover an object that is 4 dimension and directly observable.

Actually, this methodology explains alot, especially Enstineian definitions of gravity. Imagine a flat piece of paper. Drop a rock in the middle of it. Anything on the edges automatically goes towards to rock. Essentially, any mass will warp space, ie the 4th dimension.

**Blademaster** · 18 Jan 08, 07:05

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

Actually, this methodology explains alot, especially Enstineian definitions of gravity. Imagine a flat piece of paper. Drop a rock in the middle of it. Anything on the edges automatically goes towards to rock. Essentially, any mass will warp space, ie the 4th dimension.

How does anything on the edges go towards the rock in 3d? If it was 2d, then I can certainly see that way. The way I am visualizing is like a big rectangle sponge with a round rock forced inside into it. The result is that there is a bulge at the opposite side of the sponge and there is a depression on the forward face where anything on the sides will move towards to the center of the depression but on the opposing side, anything on the sides will move away from the bulge.

**Officer of Engineers** · 18 Jan 08, 07:09

The image is using a 3d imagery to explain a 4d property. Mass warps space and thus, any other mass will naturally travel the path of least resistance, ie towards another mass.

**Repatriated Canuck** · 18 Jan 08, 07:15

Tankie, where is that thread I want to read it!

I'd love to have a do over, I've had a good run and would like another crack at it but maybe Japanese next time? Or born in Britain in 1920 so I can fly a Spitfire would be nice.... Time is irrelevent and all that.

**Blademaster** · 18 Jan 08, 07:17

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

The image is using a 3d imagery to explain a 4d property. Mass warps space and thus, any other mass will naturally travel the path of least resistance, ie towards another mass.

Ahh I see the point. So gravity is a property of the 4th dimension as depth/perception is a property of the 3rd dimension whereas area is a property of the 2nd dimension, and distance is a property of the 1st dimension. Where does time come in? Is time a dimension or a property of another dimension?

**Officer of Engineers** · 18 Jan 08, 07:33

You're asking a combat engineer for the nuiances of quantum mechanics?

**tankie** · 18 Jan 08, 07:35

Originally Posted by Expat Canuck

Tankie, where is that thread I want to read it!

I'd love to have a do over, I've had a good run and would like another crack at it but maybe Japanese next time? Or born in Britain in 1920 so I can fly a Spitfire would be nice.... Time is irrelevent and all that.

Random thread Expat .

**tankie** · 18 Jan 08, 07:37

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

You're asking a combat engineer for the nuiances of quantum mechanics?

Your doing a great job so far Col , errr , you aint been out digging Black holes have you

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**Officer of Engineers** · 18 Jan 08, 07:40

Nope, not divorced yet.

**Repatriated Canuck** · 18 Jan 08, 07:42

Yeah Sir, keep going!

**tankie** · 18 Jan 08, 07:43

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

Nope, not divorced yet.

) Yea but , your an engineer not a marine ,,,, oops a bit crass

**The Chap** · 18 Jan 08, 09:13

The Kip/Thorne solution/s were the first. They "work" within general relativity.

M. Alcubiere has some interesting "warp bubble" sums.

All of this can be found in recommended stuff (I most probably am the told-you-so ********) posted yonks back. Or, via the BIS.

What does not change are OoE mentions.

**Repatriated Canuck** · 21 Jan 08, 08:09

Do you know anything about the Warp bubble Chap? I know squat other than someone came up with some math.... which I suck at.

**tankie** · 21 Jan 08, 08:28

Originally Posted by tankie

Random thread Expat .

Sorry Expat , its in the pub , currently 2nd page ?

And if you need to know anything about bubbles , ask M/Jackson , he,s good at blowing bubbles

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