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    Sudan arrests teacher over 'Mohammed' bear

    British teacher held over teddy bear name - Africa - MSNBC.com

    Sudan arrests teacher over 'Mohammed' bear
    Briton allowed her class of 7-year-olds to choose teddy bear's name

    updated 5:15 a.m. PT, Mon., Nov. 26, 2007

    KHARTOUM, Sudan - A British primary school teacher has been arrested in Sudan, accused of insulting Islam's Prophet by letting her class of 7-year-olds name a teddy bear Muhammad, her school said on Monday.

    Colleagues of Gillian Gibbons told Reuters they feared for her safety after receiving reports that young men had already started gathering outside the Khartoum police station where the Liverpool woman was being held.

    Teachers at Unity High School in central Khartoum said Gibbons, 54, made an innocent mistake and simply let her pupils choose their favorite name for the toy as part of a school project.

    Police arrested Gibbons on Sunday at her home inside the school premises, said Unity director Robert Boulos, after a number of parents made a complaint to Sudan's Ministry of Education.

    Boulos said she had since been charged with "blasphemy," an offense he said was punishable with up to three months in prison and a fine.

    A spokesman from the British Embassy in Khartoum said it was still unclear whether Gibbons had been formerly charged. "We are following it up with the authorities and trying to meet her in person," he said.

    Boulos said he had decided to close down the school until January for fear of reprisals in Sudan's predominantly Muslim capital. "This is a very sensitive issue."

    "We are very worried about her safety," he added. "This was a completely innocent mistake. Miss Gibbons would have never wanted to insult Islam."

    Class voted on toy name
    Boulos said Gibbons was following a British National Curriculum course designed to teach young pupils about animals and their habitats. This year's animal was the bear.

    Gibbons, who joined Unity in August, asked a girl to bring in her teddy bear to help the second grade class focus, said Boulos.

    The teacher then asked the class to name the toy. "They came up with eight names including Abdullah, Hassan and Mohammed. Then she explained what it meant to vote and asked them to choose the name." Twenty out of the 23 children chose Muhammad.

    Each child was allowed to take the bear home at weekends and asked to write a diary about what they did with the toy. Each entry was collected in a book with a picture of the bear on the cover, next to the message "My name is Muhammad," said Boulos.

    The bear itself was not marked or labeled with the name in any way, he added, saying Sudanese police had now seized the book and had asked to interview the 7-year-old girl.

    Boulos said the first he knew about the course was last week when he got a phone call from the Ministry of Education, saying a number of Muslim parents had made formal complaints.

    One Muslim teacher at Unity, who also has a child in Gibbons' class, said she had not found the project offensive.

    "I had no problem with it at all," the teacher said. "I know Gillian and she would never have meant it as an insult. I was just impressed that she got them to vote."

    The country's state-controlled Sudanese Media Centre reported late Sunday that Gibbons had been arrested for "insulting the Prophet Muhammad." It said charges were being prepared "under article 125 of the criminal law" which covers insults against faith and religion.

    No one was immediately available for comment from Sudan's ministries of Education or Justice.

    Unity, an independent school founded in 1902, is governed by a board representing major Christian denominations in Sudan, but teaches both Christians and Muslims aged 4 to 18.
    Let me get this straight, it's ok to name people Mohammed but not a teddy bear?

    What if the teacher refused to allow the kids to name the teddy bear? I bet a bunch of them would scream "you insulted our religion by not allowing us to name the bear Mohammad."

    I think muslims, yes, this time, all of them, are too petty. They can't deal with an organization called Red Cross so they have to have a Red Crescent. They can't deal with kids naming a beloved teddy bear Mohammad but it's perfectly OK to name a bunch of potential terrorists Mohammad.
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    What I find funny, is I have a Jesus action figure on my desk right now. He even has a karate chop action...

    And guesss what, not one person has been offended by it. Go figure.

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    gunnut,

    I think muslims, yes, this time, all of them, are too petty.
    but why would this article lead you to believe that?

    this came from a country in which sharia law is in place, and had for one of their national figures the mahdi (which the british defeated back in the late 1880s, and so probably didn't make the brit teacher's life any easier)- are you really all that surprised that this happened?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnut View Post
    I think muslims, yes, this time, all of them, are too petty.

    Then I hope no Muslims happen to walk through my library, I've got my copy of the Koran sitting next to "Mein Kampf"!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kansas Bear View Post
    Then I hope no Muslims happen to walk through my library, I've got my copy of the Koran sitting next to "Mein Kampf"!!
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    I take it the class is made up of Muslim kids who obviously didn't know it was wrong either, as they where the ones who named the bear and not the teacher

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave lukins View Post
    I take it the class is made up of Muslim kids who obviously didn't know it was wrong either, as they where the ones who named the bear and not the teacher
    Exactly what I was going to say - the Children done it, if it's such an insult, why shouldn't they be the ones taking the rap ?

    Oh yes, I forgot, Sudanese Logic, they had a ready scapegoat, blame anyone but the good Muslim Children (though of course what they were doing was hardly wrong either) .
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    When one knows that the Moslems are oversensitive about their religion and their Prophet, why 'allow' anyone to name a cuddly and loveable Teddy Bear to be named as Mohammed?

    Men can always have the name with "Mohammed" but not a Teddy Bear.

    And anyway, what is meant by 'allow'?


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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnut View Post
    British teacher held over teddy bear name - Africa - MSNBC.com



    Let me get this straight, it's ok to name people Mohammed but not a teddy bear?

    What if the teacher refused to allow the kids to name the teddy bear? I bet a bunch of them would scream "you insulted our religion by not allowing us to name the bear Mohammad."

    I think muslims, yes, this time, all of them, are too petty. They can't deal with an organization called Red Cross so they have to have a Red Crescent. They can't deal with kids naming a beloved teddy bear Mohammad but it's perfectly OK to name a bunch of potential terrorists Mohammad.

    unfortunate commentary.

    btw,the question is,

    is it OK to evaluate Muslims/Easterns according to your/Western standarts of judgement?
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    SNC,

    If you had, as a child, a teddy bear that you love, what name could you have for it?

    If you use any name that is of a person, he could take offence that an inanimate object has been named after him.

    There are scoundrels who are named after the Prophet. It too is distasteful. Therefore, why are men allowed to have the name of the Prophet and still do evil things?


    "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

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    ray jhan,

    in my culture,calling "bear" to a person is not welcomed.
    when I was in high school.a girl,who fell in love with me platonically, named her teddy afer my name.Because I did not accept her.this was her revenge.


    you are missing a point.lets go on with your example.
    Is any man/woman who name after his/her child Muhammad (PBUH) aware of what type of a personality their child will have?NO
    even,it is obvious that, parents who name after their children Muhammad are most probably religious people,and do not want their children to become a hobo.that is why they use the name Muhammad for their children.

    I do not know whether have you ever taken care before or not ,but we respect our Prophet so much, hence, we use the acronym "PBUH" after His name.

    in addition,I ,as a muslim, do not understand why foreigners are having difficulties understanding our sensitivenesses for some isues (for instance our Prophet) and evaluate our traditions and make inferences with respect to their standarts of judgements.am I wrong?

    naming after children Muhammad brings a responsibility in our society.Cuz we respect Him a lot.those who are named after Muhammad should be more sensitive.cuz their name recall the Prophet (PBUH).this is what I infered from my society.but in practice,things are not always like we desired.this is the truth.
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    I get the point.


    "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

    I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crooks View Post
    Exactly what I was going to say - the Children done it, if it's such an insult, why shouldn't they be the ones taking the rap ?

    Oh yes, I forgot, Sudanese Logic, they had a ready scapegoat, blame anyone but the good Muslim Children (though of course what they were doing was hardly wrong either) .
    Hey, they'll probably whip the kids too - I'm sure there's a codicile somewhere in Sharia Law that calls for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snc128 View Post

    unfortunate commentary.

    btw,the question is,

    is it OK to evaluate Muslims/Easterns according to your/Western standarts of judgement?
    Is it ok to judge western stadards according to your muslim values?

    Looks like you do it all the time.

    Besides, I do think ALL muslims are petty. Not all of them are evil. That's just not possible. But muslims need to learn to be a bit more accomodating to international standards.

    No other culture has a problem with the cross in Red Cross. No other group of people riot when they hear rumors of their religious book being mistreated half a world away. No other group of people, while being guests at another country, riot when the citizens of the host country exercises their right of free speech. No other group of people demand special treatment at the level of muslims in the west do.
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