Bush at odds with Texas over death penalty

**Ironduke** · 10 Oct 07,, 23:10

So why exactly would Bush be banging the Hispanic drum in this manner? It doesn't make a lot of sense to me, given that his political support doesn't come from that community anyway, who is he going to annoy by sticking with his principles?

The Hispanic vote has been about 50/50, and in an election that's 50/50, getting a few Hispanic votes can tip the scales in a candidate's favor.

**Trooth** · 10 Oct 07,, 23:33

So, the logic is that "his" voters will vote for the republican candidate anyway and some more members of hispanic population might join in?

Well, i guess he is a professional politician.

**ExNavyAmerican** · 11 Oct 07,, 03:19

Originally Posted by omon

well, mostly agree, but there is a thing, we do need to look at every murder, as far as intent, if i or you had to kill someone in defence to protect you or your family, it shouldn,t be looked at as premeditated murder. it souldn,t be called a mured at all.

I 100% agree. Killing in self-defence, or defence of your family or home is completely different.

Originally Posted by glyn

It was an honest mistake ENA and we all make them from time to time. Your spelling is generally good, but I thank you for brightening my day.

Thanks.

What I meant by "honest" was typo -which it wasn't.

**ExNavyAmerican** · 11 Oct 07,, 03:34

Originally Posted by Trooth

Certainly many criminals would rather live than die. But most murders are not pre-meditated. Most are "acts of passion" or a bi-product of some other criminal act gone wrong. You can only deter people from comitting a crime that they think about. The death penalty would certainly be a stronger deterrant if it were the ONLY penalty for any crime.

As I said, it's not only deterrence: it's also about just recompence. In regards to deterrence, sexual crimes and murder are the most violent crimes out there: it will deter them to an extent. None of it will ever be completely healed, it also has to do with society being sick to a degree, but we can improve it. We can show our disgust for those crimes. Those people who take lives have no right to keep their own.

There are indeed miscarriages of justice in all facets of life. In terms of criminal sentencing at least the victim can get a reprieve, regain their liverty and some form of compensation if the miscarriage is discovered. Unless they are dead.

Granted. But a miscarriage is a miscarriage. It happens rarely in a capital offence, and when it does, they usually find out. When they find out too late, the real perp is still free. Anyway, the prison systems in the US are so nasty that those people could end up dead first thing. And you know why these prison systems are nasty: violent murderers and sexual offenders flood it. It's a misjustice that the taxpayers (including the victims' relatives) have to pay for the people to continue living.

I'll concede it was a low blow to raise it first as it could be read as a position you hold, which you had not said. However it is one of the arguments against a death penalty not that, as you might imagine, i support it's reasoning. But i do support the corollary, regarding the hypocrisy of the state.

The state, though always corrupt to some degree, represents the people. It's not the state putting them to death: it's the people. Especially in a democratic society such as the US.

Hee hee, yes, we all have to suffer each other

Where else would we get our entertainment?

He's a mexican illegal immigrant hoping one day to gain elected office in his homeland?

No, but that would be a first. He's for the noexistent plans for a North American Union similar to that of the EU. Of course, no one here believes it. Because it's conspiracy theorist. Which it isn't: it's quiet, but quite obvious.