Thread: The Kyoto Protocol is Dead

Originally Posted by parihaka

look them up yourself
http://www.library.ucsf.edu/tobacco/batco/

Sorry, I don't prove the points of leftists for them. If you can't back up your own statements, my point stands.

Originally Posted by Leader

Sorry, I don't prove the points of leftists for them. If you can't back up your own statements, my point stands.

ha ha

Originally Posted by parihaka

They have taken it into account, more data is needed to correlate it with other observed data

They have not taken it - long term solar incidence increase - i.e., the sun is getting hotter recently - into account. What they have done is measured the variance over one of the last solar sunspot cycles from start to finish. They have not compared any other correlative data regarding solar output.

Again, as a sidebar, riddle me this - why is Mars warming up and losing ice as well?

The answer, of course, is that the sun is getting hotter. The long term historical data and circumstantial evidence point strongly to the reality that the sun was, for instance less active and therefore cooler during the 16th through the 18th centuries, causing corresponding cooling here on Earth - "The Little Ice Age". There is no sunspot data to correlate with the earlier period but it was also apparently quite cooler than what we accept as normal, at least in NW Europe, in the 11th through 14th centuries. Last I checked, there wasn't a heckuva lot of human industry in the eaarly parts of the second millenium.

Climate changes. Always has, always will. It is always getting colder or warmer and neither glaciers nor sea levels are static over the long term. It is delusional fantasy and silly hubris to believe that the climate you grew up in is the climate you should expect for the rest of your life or beyond. Climatic stasis is flatly impossible outside of a thought experiment.

So don't waste your time trying to convince me that burning less coal or driving fewer miles is going to affect anything other than my local environment. And don't act surprised when I respond to your panicky falling sky ululations with a bored "so what?" I already know that climate can and will change - it's been doing so for the last 4.5 billion years and continues to do so without bothering about the relative eyeblink of humanity's existance.

-dale