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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnut View Post
    Here's another thing, how do you know that the old traditional news media is neutral or doesn't have an agenda?

    Wiki is good because we know the sources and opinions expressed within should be taken with a grain of salt.

    Not so with news media.

    News media has this "professional" aura around it, making it look like a reputable source of news. However, the way news are presented is sometimes heavily left leaning. And people don't know that. That's the scary part.

    A great point about the news media.They come onto our screens sounding deadly serious and are always very well spoken,But if you study a channel closely enough you will discover that it is in fact biased,One way or the other.If you are not going to tell both sides of the story,What is the point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnut View Post
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    Not so with news media.

    News media has this "professional" aura around it, making it look like a reputable source of news. However, the way news are presented is sometimes heavily left leaning. And people don't know that. That's the scary part.
    ALL news leans one way or the other, though some are more obvious than others - BBC is not clearly left-leaning until you watch it regularly and notice the pattern, FOX is very clearly right-wing from the moment you flick it on (especially in opinion shows).

    You could argue that makes "an chlé" even more dangerous (as I suppose you have) when given a microphone or hour slot, seeing as they're not as open about leanings, but it can hardly be claimed all mainstream media is Left-wing, or anti-republican.......a great conservative Whingefest in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropy View Post
    Generally good, but much more limited than the English one.
    So the quantity isn't the same as the english one, but how's the quality, are there anyone that beats the english in quality? Perhaps the German wiki?
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    One stop shopping for critical information leaves one open to deadly self-deception.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wkllaw View Post
    So the quantity isn't the same as the english one, but how's the quality, are there anyone that beats the english in quality? Perhaps the German wiki?
    The Russian one is quite expanded and accurate, it even features content that isn't available in the English version (certain birds, for example).
    Generally, there is some Russian bias, but not more than the American bias on American history and weaponry articles.
    It even denied the rumours that the MiG-23 scored victories against F-15 and F-16. It added that the full data are hard to obtain, but that it's unlikely.



    The Swedish wiki is written with a noticeable leftist bias. Every historic feit, expecially when occuring in the meantime (and especially in the Middle East) focuses itself on the tragedies of the people more than the political, economical and military sides of the questing. Sometimes it is annoying.

    The Dutch wiki is one that I didn't like. It has limited content (as the Swedish one) but sometimes it goes over the top. So is Mogadishu, according to wikiNL, the economic, financial and cultural capital of Somalia with a working university and a seat of the government. I don't know if the writer of the article is stuck in 1992 or that PC-ness has smitten it. Sometimes I read clearly POV statements: "Sierra Leone really has something to offer to the tourist", or small, hardly noticeable biases like for example: "The human rights situation in the country has improved, death penalty has been abolished, and the new law that prescribed death penalty to group rapists has been changed into life sentence".
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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnut View Post
    Here's another thing, how do you know that the old traditional news media is neutral or doesn't have an agenda?

    News media has this "professional" aura around it, making it look like a reputable source of news. However, the way news are presented is sometimes heavily left leaning. And people don't know that. That's the scary part.
    Bingo!

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    One stop shopping for critical information leaves one open to deadly self-deception.
    Here's a hint: The best - and most reliable - Wikipedia articles are bloated with sources, links, further reading etc. If an assertion has no source, a caveat emptor "Citation Needed" will appear next to the sentence or paragraph. (Though the best articles by definition will have few to no "Citation Needed" warnings.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by TopHatter View Post
    Here's a hint: The best - and most reliable - Wikipedia articles are bloated with sources, links, further reading etc. If an assertion has no source, a caveat emptor "Citation Needed" will appear next to the sentence or paragraph. (Though the best articles by definition will have few to no "Citation Needed" warnings.)

    Sometimes, the content of a source is nearly copy-pasted into the Wiki article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by entropy View Post
    Sometimes, the content of a source is nearly copy-pasted into the Wiki article.
    Correct and if that source is reliable, so much the better.

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    Here's a good site for tracking the media bias in the news:

    Media Research Center Home Page - 8/30/2007 5:54:58 PM

    I like Fox news because it doesn't disguise itself as a conservative organization.

    These other news services however...
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