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    Huge rally for Turkish secularism

    Hundreds of thousands of people are rallying in Istanbul in support of secularism in Turkey, amid a row over a vote for the country's next president.
    The protesters are concerned that the ruling party's candidate for the post remains loyal to his Islamic roots.

    The candidate, Abdullah Gul, earlier said he would not quit despite growing criticism from opponents and the army.

    Mr Gul failed to win election in a first round vote in parliament as opposition MPs boycotted the vote.

    They are also challenging its validity in the Constitutional Court.

    An army statement on Friday accused the government of tolerating radical Islam and vowed to defend secularism.
    Mr Gul has steered Turkey's European Union accession talks as foreign minister and is seen as less confrontational than Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the leader of his Islamist-rooted Justice and Development (AK) party.

    "The president must be loyal to secular principles. If I am elected, I will act accordingly," he said after his nomination for the presidency.

    But some analysts say he is closer to his religious roots, and his wife would be the first First Lady to wear a headscarf, a deeply divisive statement in Turkey.

    'Test case'

    The BBC's Sarah Rainsford says secularists are concerned that if he is elected, the AK party will control the presidency, the government and parliament.

    Sunday's "Republican Meeting", planned by dozens of non-governmental organisations, took place in Caglayan Square in Istanbul.

    "Turkey is secular and will remain secular," shouted demonstrators from all over the country as they waved flags and pictures of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, the founder of the Turkish Republic.

    "We want neither Sharia, nor a coup, but a fully democratic Turkey," they added.

    Many sang nationalist songs and called for the government's resignation.

    Our correspondent describes the rally as an enormous show of force. More than 300,000 people attended a similar event two weeks ago.

    On Saturday, AK spokesman Cemil Cicek responded to Friday's unusually forthright army statement.

    The military, which led coups in the past, said it was concerned by the party's choice of presidential candidate.

    Mr Cicek said any intervention was "inconceivable in a democratic state".

    "The chief of the general staff is answerable to the prime minister," he added.

    History of coups

    Our correspondent in Istanbul says the army statement late on Friday night caused a real stir in Turkey.

    Many also believe that it is also a message to the judges in the constitutional court to declare the vote invalid and dissolve parliament, she adds.

    The army has carried out three coups in the last 50 years - in 1960, 1971 and 1980 - and in 1997 it intervened to force Turkey's first Islamist Prime Minister, Necmettin Erbakan, from power.

    The AK is an offshoot of Mr Erbakan's Welfare Party, which was banned in 1998.

    The secularist Republican People's Party (CHP), which boycotted Friday's vote, said it would challenge the election in court because a quorum of MPs had not been obtained - a charge the AK denies.

    A second round of voting is due on Wednesday and the court has said it will try to rule on the appeal before the vote.

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    I don't know in which forum I saw, but there were photos of huge rallies in Turkey.

    Turkey is the lodestar of moderate and progressive Islam. It is a pacesetter. I do sincerely hope it remains so.


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    I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray View Post
    I don't know in which forum I saw, but there were photos of huge rallies in Turkey.

    Turkey is the lodestar of moderate and progressive Islam. It is a pacesetter. I do sincerely hope it remains so.
    It will... the military will not allow it to become any different. After all, if Islamists were to gain power (unlikely in Turkey, where the debate seems to be more over whether the President's wife should wear a headscarf than the Sharia), the Army would be the first institution to be purged.

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    i still believe in democracy.Inşallah the best will occur for Turkish ppl.
    besides,there is a similar thread
    http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/pol...cularists.html
    and no need to branch the differentations of it.
    kenan2action speaks louder than words

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    The press here are reporting the march at over a million people. No disrespect meant to any Turkish members, but this rally reinforces my faith in Turks, as being part of one of only two non cl###er f##k States in that part of the world.

    Jonathan

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBG View Post
    The press here are reporting the march at over a million people. No disrespect meant to any Turkish members, but this rally reinforces my faith in Turks, as being part of one of only in that part of the world.

    Jonathan
    ????
    "two non cl###er f##k States" what state?
    Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none; be able for thine enemy rather in power than use; and keep thy friend under thine own life's key; be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech.

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    i still believe in democracy.Inşallah the best will occur for Turkish ppl.
    Don't trust democracy that much. They have no right to change democracy with democracy. Btw, AKP didn't take more than half of turkish citizens votes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neyzen View Post
    Don't trust democracy that much. They have no right to change democracy with democracy. Btw, AKP didn't take more than half of turkish citizens votes.
    katılıyorum kardeş...

    i agree...
    Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none; be able for thine enemy rather in power than use; and keep thy friend under thine own life's key; be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big K View Post
    ????
    "two non cl###er f##k States" what state?
    Clusterfvck.

    Amercianism for 'messed up'/ buggers muddle.

    I was equally confused with this word when I first saw it. Horrido, one of the bigwigs of this Forum, explained it to me. I now use it with great panache!


    "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

    I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

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    Sevgili Arkadaslar,

    Merhaba konuyla alakasız olacak ama yukarıda çeviri için

    Gul agicinda diken olmak istemem amma

    Tesekkurler,

    Sevgi ve Saygi ile.


    "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

    I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

    HAKUNA MATATA

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    Isreal and Turkey.

    Jonathan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray View Post
    Clusterfvck.

    Amercianism for 'messed up'/ buggers muddle.

    I was equally confused with this word when I first saw it. Horrido, one of the bigwigs of this Forum, explained it to me. I now use it with great panache!
    Don't forget other dated classics, SNAFU (Situation normal all F'ed up) and FUBAR (F'ed up beyond all recognition).

    As for me I also hope Turkey continues on with its secular ways, being one of the very few possitive signs in the region at the moment.
    Facts to a liberal is like Kryptonite to Superman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray View Post
    Sevgili Arkadaslar,

    Merhaba konuyla alakasız olacak ama yukarıda çeviri için

    Gul agicinda diken olmak istemem amma

    Tesekkurler,

    Sevgi ve Saygi ile.
    woowww thanks for this

    where did you get the translation?

    hehe what a brilliant turkish
    Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none; be able for thine enemy rather in power than use; and keep thy friend under thine own life's key; be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBG View Post
    Isreal and Turkey.

    Jonathan
    yes, and thanks
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    Big K,

    My grand aunt's cousin's little sister's is a Turk.

    And I like Turkish Delight!

    And so I know Turkish and I love secular Turkey and not the Islamists!

    Islam should always be in the heart and not in the mind!

    SNC and Neyzen disappoint!


    "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

    I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

    HAKUNA MATATA

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