Thread: Stoning for Adultry

WOW. So, let me get this straight: a barbarian bred from a barbaric land commits bababaric acts and then the VICTIMS of the barbarian's barbarous acts are punished in a spasm of extreme misogyny coming out of a society that bases it's legal system on sharia law's Dark Ages mentality about sex?

Is this even POSSIBLE?

Wonder of wonders...who coulda seen THAT comin', huh? Almost NEVER hear of something like that coming from that part of the world.

Usually because whichever tribe got its nose out of joint is allowed to have its young men just gang-rape the 'offender', after she's committed the dishonor of being raped. Or maybe they'd burn her to death; sometimes, THAT'S a favored solution, too.

But flogging? Now, that's just out there, man.

Man faces stoning in UAE for sex with stepdaughters
Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:17 PM IST
DUBAI (Reuters) - A Pakistani man faces death by stoning in the United Arab Emirates for committing adultery with four of his stepdaughters, a local daily reported on Friday.
In the first case of its kind in the UAE, the Federal Supreme Court confirmed the death sentence issued by an Islamic sharia court in the emirate of Ajman, the English-language Gulf News reported.
Police arrested the man, identified only as Abdul Aziz, in 2005 after his youngest and fifth stepdaughter reported the case when he refused to let her marry a local man, it said.
The man, who had 11 children from illicit relationships with his four stepdaughters, admitted his guilt but said he was the father of only some of the children, Gulf News said.
The four stepdaughters had been sentenced and received 80 lashes each, it added.
Like most Arab states, the UAE implements Islamic sharia laws, but rarely executes convicted criminals.
http://in.today.reuters.com/news/new...archived=False

For the stepfather I feel no grief at all for punishment, except that maybe they use very small and very sharp stones.
But 80 lashes to the victims?
Please correct me if I’m wrong!
If the girls had gone to the authorities and accused their stepfather of rape, would they not; according to Sharia legislation, have had to provide 4 male witnesses to the act?

Aw, C'MON! I was careful. That was a quality post, man!

Wasn't me. I just bought myself some butter cookies and munching them right now.

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

Wasn't me. I just bought myself some butter cookies and munching them right now.

You da MAN!

Originally Posted by Bluesman

Aw, C'MON! I was careful. That was a quality post, man!

To someone out there in la-la land, please being it back, or at least say why it went walk-a-bye!

At least put up some billboards or something so that young girls know not to allow thier stepfathers to molest them.



(and I am also wondering what was wrong with Bluesman's post - I saw nothing wrong with what I read of it)

Originally Posted by THL

...(and I am also wondering what was wrong with Bluesman's post - I saw nothing wrong with what I read of it)

You're luckier then me THL, when I logged back on later in the evening, the comment was gone. so was the thread, so I re-posted it!

Flogging, stoning, honor killings for women - they should not exist in such circumstance. The pure horror of being abused and the lifelong damage that inflicts on a daily basis truly is enough from my standpoint. Ethnic Studies delves into this subject on occasion from a point that we cannot drag the offending culture into the realm of what others feel is wrong or right. Each country has its views and its laws furthered on by ideology. We need to step back, take a deep breath, study it and let it go. Difficult at best and makes for nightmares at worst.

Change comes from within the socio/political structure. Now, my problem with that is most structures appear to have a cyclical state. Meaning that looking back 50, 100, 150 or more years ago, the legal structure in the US was very different from what it is now when applied to the crimes of molestation and even rape. Female proximity and lewdness were taken into consideration. In the US for a woman during that time, it was like being lashed without the physical instrument if you want to take the analogy that far.

Do I have hope for countries that still carry on the view that it is the fault of a woman for what a man does? I state that when patriarchy continues to overide equality - no.

Delaware was the last state to remove the whipping post as a legal form of punishment, in 1967. The 1973 edition of the Delaware Code includes a law that made it a criminal violation to bring a camera to a public whipping, with a fine of $500.00.

Im almost positive that the law has changed but in remained in effect until atleast 1967.

Originally Posted by Debbie

Ethnic Studies delves into this subject on occasion from a point that we cannot drag the offending culture into the realm of what others feel is wrong or right. Each country has its views and its laws furthered on by ideology. We need to step back, take a deep breath, study it and let it go. Difficult at best and makes for nightmares at worst.

No, this is an utter abuse of human rights, Sharia law or not, and we should not hide our criticism. Whether it’s Saddam Hussein "punishing" people in accordance to his own rules, or whether it’s some other judiciary practicing some religious law, it makes no difference.

I don’t even think the stepfather deserved stoning: note the charge was “adultery” rather than rape. Hell, it wasn’t even proper incest.

No doubt official criticism from the West will be muted because the government is “aligned” and they have oil.

I just don't understand how rape victims are perceived in islamic nations.

Rape victims are usually punished over there, often by honor killing or some cruel punishment, by family members.

If someone rapes my daughter or my wife, the last thing I want to do is to punish her. The first thing I'd do is find the bastard and put an entire clip into him without killing him, just to watch him suffer.

Why such different perception of women?

Originally Posted by gunnut

I just don't understand how rape victims are perceived in islamic nations.

Rape victims are usually punished over there, often by honor killing or some cruel punishment, by family members.

If someone rapes my daughter or my wife, the last thing I want to do is to punish her. The first thing I'd do is find the bastard and put an entire clip into him without killing him, just to watch him suffer.

Why such different perception of women?

I don't think it's a Quran thing, which says nothing about that. It's cultural. It seems like that horrible misogynistic society manages to apportion blame to the woman for the rape, (unless she can provide 4 witnesses), and therefore she can be cast as an adulteress if married, or if she is single she is guilty of "being alone with a man" and having premarital sex

Such a woman will bring permanent shame to her family, so apart from being raped and then getting hammered by the law, she is also subject to honor killing by her family.

Nice people. Let's get some more of them into our lives.

(In fact from what I can tell this subhuman attitude is not prevalent amongst immigrants in the UK, although it exists)

I don't know if it's a Koran thing, but it seems like these "honor killings" are most prevalent in islamic nations. Coincidence? I'm not certain. Maybe other parts of the world have similar practices, but just not as well publicized.