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    Terrorists 'use Google maps to hit UK troops'

    Terrorists 'use Google maps to hit UK troops'


    By Thomas Harding in Basra
    Last Updated: 2:06am GMT 13/01/2007

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    Royal Green Jackets provide ‘top cover’ from their Bulldog armoured vehicle outside Basra Palace

    Terrorists attacking British bases in Basra are using aerial footage displayed by the Google Earth internet tool to pinpoint their attacks, say Army intelligence sources.

    Documents seized during raids on the homes of insurgents last week uncovered print-outs from photographs taken from Google.

    The satellite photographs show in detail the buildings inside the bases and vulnerable areas such as tented accommodation, lavatory blocks and where lightly armoured Land Rovers are parked.

    Written on the back of one set of photographs taken of the Shatt al Arab Hotel, headquarters for the 1,000 men of the Staffordshire Regiment battle group, officers found the camp's precise longitude and latitude.
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    "This is evidence as far as we are concerned for planning terrorist attacks," said an intelligence officer with the Royal Green Jackets battle group. "Who would otherwise have Google Earth imagery of one of our bases?

    "We are concerned that they use them to plan attacks. We have never had proof that they have deliberately targeted any area of the camp using these images but presumably they are of great use to them.

    "We believe they use Google Earth to identify the most vulnerable areas such as tents."

    One soldier has been killed in the past six months following a mortar attack and there have been several injuries.

    Since the maps were found intelligence chiefs have been keeping track of where rounds land to see if the insurgents are using them to pinpoint weakly protected areas.

    The British camps experience mortar and rocket attacks on a daily basis.

    Salvos are fired from up to four miles away and are increasingly accurate.

    Yesterday three rounds were fired into Basra Palace at a block close to where The Daily Telegraph was staying. No one was injured.

    Intelligence sources also believe that the insurgents are receiving more training and weaponry from Iran to improve their fighting skills. But the British are gathering more intelligence on mortar crews and launching several "strike operations" to detain the operators.

    Anyone with the internet can sign up to Google Earth and by simply typing in the name of a location they can receive very detailed imagery down to identifying types of vehicles.

    The company is one of several internet outlets that buy aerial imagery, usually taken by aircraft but sometimes by satellite, from governments or mapping companies.

    It is unclear how old the maps are but it is believed the Basra images were made within the past two years.

    Major Charlie Burbridge, the British military spokesman in Iraq, said: "We take the security of our bases very seriously and we constantly review the means to provide secure accommodation for our soldiers.

    "There is a constant threat of reconnaissance missions to access our bases and using these internet images is just another method of how this is conducted."

    A Google spokesman said the information could be used for "good and bad" and was available to the public in many forms. "Of course we are always ready to listen to governments' requests," he said.

    "We have opened channels with the military in Iraq but we are not prepared to discuss what we have discussed with them. But we do listen and we are sensitive to requests."

    There have also been reports that the images are being sold to rogue militias in the market place in Basra.

    The British security services are concerned that terrorists will be able to examine in detail sensitive infrastructure such as electricity stations, military basis, and their own headquarters in London.

    Soldiers from the Royal Green Jackets based at the Basra Palace base said they had considered suing Google Earth if they were injured by mortar rounds that had been directed on the camp by the aerial footage.

    "Even if they did blank out the areas where we are based it is a bit after the horse has bolted as the terrorist now have the maps and know exactly where we eat, sleep and go to the toilet," one soldier said.

    Publishers wishing to reproduce photographs on this page should phone 44 (0) 207 538 7505 or e-mail syndication@telegraph.co.uk
    Something good for the ordinary citizen, but it is still lethal for them!

    Should Google be restricted?

    The terrorist will still be able to get the satellite photos.

    What's the answer?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray View Post
    Something good for the ordinary citizen, but it is still lethal for them!

    Should Google be restricted?

    The terrorist will still be able to get the satellite photos.

    What's the answer?
    Just dandy
    Now king bush and his homeland security cronies will now have yet another excuse to trample on our rights to privacy and look into everyone's computers, tap the phones and read the mail, etc, of anyone who has also checked out the wonders of google.earth. Because as everyone knows, only terrorist check out google.earth

    If I were in charge, I would look into the feasability of adding software that could blank out military installations and such.

    P.S. Ray. What is with the multiple post lately? Trying to retain your status for top post count or are you drinking too much coffee?

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    Bonehead,

    You take the top post for all I care!

    I post as per my convenience.

    Do inform me when I post posts which have no connect and is a mere spam!

    Thank you!

    I don't drink coffee.

    I only partake in Darjeeling tea - flavour and not strength.

    Ever heard of Darjeeling tea?
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    I firmly believe that Internet resources should be as universal as oxygen. This is the public domain.

    Let's not target the Internet, lets target the terrorists. I am sure that our governments have better technology than google earth anyway. We can take 'em!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajtigger View Post
    I firmly believe that Internet resources should be as universal as oxygen. This is the public domain.
    I agree with you totally.

    What if it stops the oxygen I breathe?

    Comments, please!


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    So that's why Google Earth and Google maps has been actin weird lately when you zoom in around areas over here. Ok could be just my connection.

    No to restrictions. The troops just have to learn to live with it. Getting physical maps of the region are not such a difficult thing anyway. You'd never see troop positions on Google Earth since its not updated on the fly. Some points are not updated for months!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray View Post
    Bonehead,

    You take the top post for all I care!

    I post as per my convenience.

    Do inform me when I post posts which have no connect and is a mere spam!

    Thank you!

    I don't drink coffee.

    I only partake in Darjeeling tea - flavour and not strength.

    Ever heard of Darjeeling tea?
    Nothing wrong with your post Ray as they are all thought provoking. Somehow it looks like you have been double/tripple posting when starting new threads so I figured you have been jittery and hitting the reply button more than once.

    It has been ages since I have had the pleasure of a good cup of Darjeeling tea as that is my favorite. I have all but given up on it however, as I can't seem to find any decent stuff in the States. I had the idea of posting to ask what is a good brand and where the best tea comes from, but I did not want to start any flame wars between India and the surounding areas.

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    Terrorists use google to target.

    Interesting and thought provoking article in many ways. I would have thought that the US and UK intelligence services had found a way to overcome any threat if one existed in this case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asim Aquil View Post
    No to restrictions. The troops just have to learn to live with it. Getting physical maps of the region are not such a difficult thing anyway. You'd never see troop positions on Google Earth since its not updated on the fly. Some points are not updated for months!
    Asim,

    Very brave of you! Was your pun saying that soldiers should learn to "live" with it (since such information can be used to make soldiers not "live") intentional?

    BTW, in general, Iraqis can't read maps at all. They have no need for for a service that isn't useful for them.
    "So little pains do the vulgar take in the investigation of truth, accepting readily the first story that comes to hand." Thucydides 1.20.3

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    I would use the knowledge against the insurgency- plant my own images of the strategic areas so the enemy fired on the wrong targets, exposing themselves in the process. You could invert the grids so the buildings are in the wrong places, etc.

    It should be a relatively minor matter to replace the images available with ones that are tactically useless. Hell, the Google Earth images of Boeing Field are over 3 years old...
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    What is the update frequency of Google Earth? Many of the images are at least 1-2 year old, if not more.

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    Kams, I don't know that it ever has been updated. It's pretty new, and AFAIK they've spent most of their energy just getting the database filled out.

    Google saw the popularity of the MS SQL Terraserver project, and decided it was a good addition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead View Post
    Nothing wrong with your post Ray as they are all thought provoking. Somehow it looks like you have been double/tripple posting when starting new threads so I figured you have been jittery and hitting the reply button more than once.

    It has been ages since I have had the pleasure of a good cup of Darjeeling tea as that is my favorite. I have all but given up on it however, as I can't seem to find any decent stuff in the States. I had the idea of posting to ask what is a good brand and where the best tea comes from, but I did not want to start any flame wars between India and the surounding areas.
    Please give me some examples of double posts, so that I can be careful.

    I stay awake into the wee hours of the morning and so I would not be surprised if I did.

    Darjeeling tea? I wish you had told me, I would have sent it with my brother, who has just left! Next time, maybe!


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    Asim,

    Update is not required in many cases.

    And anyway, something is better than a stab in the dark!

    I know you use Google Earth and that is why I being nice to you these days. Who knows you may send a drone over my house with a missile and send me to Kingdom Come!

    My house has not moved ever since Google last flew!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray View Post
    Please give me some examples of double posts, so that I can be careful.

    I stay awake into the wee hours of the morning and so I would not be surprised if I did.

    Darjeeling tea? I wish you had told me, I would have sent it with my brother, who has just left! Next time, maybe!
    No worrys mate as it looks like someone on the board already deleted the multiples. As for the tea, if you could steer me to a good brand I would be most appreciative.

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