If you want to find an overly valuable currency, just look at the Euro. The EU countries are in greater dept then we are.
Doomsday for the dollar?
By J. Bradford DeLong
The United States’ current-account deficit reached 5.7% of GDP in the second quarter of 2004. Yet the dollar remains at a relatively high value: less than 20% below its early 2001 highs and more than 10% higher in real terms than in the early to mid-1990’s.
As the US current-account deficit rose over the past half-decade, international economists have lined up to predict doom: returns on assets invested in the US are relatively low, so at some point – probably all at once – holders of dollar-denominated securities will realize that the risk of suffering a major crash in value is not being adequately compensated. Once portfolio investors start selling their dollar-denominated securities, a stampede will follow, causing the dollar’s value to crash and triggering the first major global financial crisis of the twenty-first century.
Fred Bergsten of the Institute for International Economics calls this situation “a disaster in the making.” How far will the dollar have to fall? The first historical rule of thumb is 10% on the dollar for each percent of GDP’s worth of unsustainable current-account deficit. The second historical rule of thumb is that currencies on the decline tend to overshoot: near the bottom, international currency speculators require a substantial risk premium out of the fear that the currency crash might trigger something even worse.
So when will this promised dollar collapse and crisis come? Bergsten says, “Soon.”
But Bergsten is probably wrong about that. The late Rudiger Dornbusch – who used to write this column – used to say that unsustainable situations lasted longer than economists who believed in market rationality and equilibrium could imagine possible. They then tended to collapse more quickly than anyone could believe. In his view, currency overvaluations go through five stages:
First, short-term speculators seeking higher returns, or investors overanxious for safety, drive a currency’s value to unsustainable levels.
Second, trend-chasers keep buying because the returns have been so good in the recent past, thus pushing the overvaluation to a height and duration that orthodox economists cannot explain.
Third, highly intelligent economists, puzzled by the duration of the overvaluation, evolve theories of why things are different this time, and why this time the overvaluation is perhaps sustainable after all.
Fourth, market bulls, encouraged by theories of a “new economy” that justify the extraordinarily good returns seen in the recent past, keep buying and keep the currency suspended above economic fundamentals even longer.
Fifth, the supply of eager purchasers and trend-chasing investors comes to an end, producing a crash that resembles the collapse of a Ponzi scheme.
In the past six months, the current round of the US dollar cycle entered stage three. Louis Uchitelle of The New York Times quotes the highly intelligent Catherine Mann commenting on the “co-dependent relationship between the US and its trading partners,” which might “last for quite some time,” because “the US and its main trading partners have a vested interest in the status quo.”
Japan, China, and other export-oriented East Asian economies are indeed eager to keep the value of the dollar relatively high, and their central banks have piled up close to $2 trillion in dollar-denominated assets. China’s government regards the threat of capital losses on its dollar-denominated securities as less important than the need to maintain near-full employment in coastal manufacturing cities like Shanghai. After all, the ruling communist oligarchs have grown accustomed to a comfortable lifestyle. The last thing they want is mass unemployment and urban unrest to call their positions into question.
But if international currency speculators get the scent of near-inevitable profits from an ongoing dollar decline in their nostrils, all Asian central banks together will not be able to keep the dollar high. Only the Federal Reserve can do that – and the Federal Reserve is very unlikely to sacrifice the jobs of American workers on the altar of the strong dollar.
There may yet be a soft landing, whether slow or fast: during the last major dollar cycle, between 1985 and 1987, the dollar fell by 40% without ever causing panic, major bankruptcies, or a demand by investors for a substantial dollar risk premium to compensate them for holding assets denominated in a declining currency. But the historical rule of thumb is that the chances of a fast, hard landing have now surpassed 25%, and continue to climb.
J. Bradford DeLong is Professor of Economics at the University of California at Berkeley and was Assistant US Treasury Secretary during the Clinton Presidency. — DT/PS
If you want to find an overly valuable currency, just look at the Euro. The EU countries are in greater dept then we are.
Economists and doomsayers have been predicting disaster for the dollar since the US went off of the Gold Standard. What the whole system's based upon is trust. And I don't think that the multinational corporations that own the mass media will allow a panic to develop.
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of somthing stupid to say and then don't say it." - Sam Levenson
Praxus
What does the debt of the Eu countries have to do with the Dollars they hold??
Logic
Mass media -- does it also control speculators? for instance, do you think there is any validity to the following:
"if international currency speculators get the scent of near-inevitable profits from an ongoing dollar decline in their nostrils, all Asian central banks together will not be able to keep the dollar high. Only the Federal Reserve can do that – and the Federal Reserve is very unlikely to sacrifice the jobs of American workers on the altar of the strong dollar."
The decline in the value of the dollar can be measured precisely by watching the amount of dollars it takes to purchase an ounce of gold. The intrinsic worth of an ounce of gold has not changed, what has changed is the number of dollars that are required to purchase an ounce of gold.
Rampant devaluation of a currency, or hyper inflation would result in social instability to the point where the ruling class would be in danger of being displaced with the resulting breakdown in society.
The multinationals could not let that happen because they have the most to gain by keeping the status quo.
I don't think media controls the speculators as much as the perceived frenzy brings speculators into the market - like the Bass Brothers when they speculated up the price of silver to something like $20/ounce. When the market regained stability the speculators lost their shirts.
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of somthing stupid to say and then don't say it." - Sam Levenson
Logic
"The intrinsic worth of an ounce of gold has not changed..." What is "intrinsic worth" of an ounce of Gold?? how is it calculated and what does it have ot do with the value of Dollar, if the argument is that it's relationship is how many $$ it takes to purchase it, then isn't that more of a argument for the "intrinsic" worth of the ounce of Gold ?
The Dollar is not tied to the Gold standard, it was "devalued" when Nixon took the dolar off the so called gold standard - how then is your arguement about "intrinsic woth of an ounce of Gold, relevent?
"The multinationals could not let that happen because they have the most to gain by keeping the status quo"
Again, lets examine the pre-supposition your statement appears to be founded on, namely that the multinationals somehow control the printing of the dollar and the numbers floated - this would appear to be in conflict with the function of the reserve.
Secondly, a cheaper Dollar would be better for the multinationals, wouldn't it? After all their gods would be cheaper and more competative, yes or no?
you say: "Rampant devaluation of a currency, or hyper inflation would result in social instability to the point where the ruling class would be in danger of being displaced with the resulting breakdown in society. "
I'm not sure what "rampant devaluation" might be but look at a fact the author points out and see if your statement on face value, may be woth reevaluating:
"during the last major dollar cycle, between 1985 and 1987, the dollar fell by 40% without ever causing panic, major bankruptcies, or a demand by investors for a substantial dollar risk premium to compensate them for holding assets denominated in a declining currency"
http://oregonstate.edu/Dept/pol_sci/fac/sahr/goldp.htm
I just googled up this chart which shows that the price of gold has been relatively constant since the speculative frenzy in the 70s and early 80s. Gold is merely a comodity which has an intrinsic worth. One ounce of gold will always be one ounce of gold. Just as a bushel of corn will always be worth one bushel of corn. How many dollars it will take to purchase that ounce of gold or bushel of corn, has remained relatively stable for the last twenty years. What we are seeing is increasing price of energy which will be reflected in trade deficits and inflationary pressure for years to come.
"during the last major dollar cycle, between 1985 and 1987, the dollar fell by 40% without ever causing panic, major bankruptcies, or a demand by investors for a substantial dollar risk premium to compensate them for holding assets denominated in a declining currency"
Fell by 40% against what standard?
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of somthing stupid to say and then don't say it." - Sam Levenson
Logic
"Gold is merely a comodity which has an intrinsic worth. One ounce of gold will always be one ounce of gold. Just as a bushel of corn will always be worth one bushel of corn"
I don't recall the author or myself having argued that Gold is not a commodity or that one ounce of something is always one once -- what is shows in the measure "One ounce", not worth or value.
In anycase, I'm confused - what exactly is your point?
The quantity of dollars required to purchase the right to obtain, use, have, hold, or keep one ounce of gold has stayed pretty much the same for twenty years. Right around the $400/ounce mark. The value of that gold has not changed. Gold is still used to make pretty jewelry, fine wires, and whatever other industrial uses mankind can find.
This is a market-driven economy. The more people want gold, the higher the cost of an ounce of gold in dollars, pounds, yen or whatever. The less people want gold, the cost drops. But the value of one ounce of gold is still the same. One ounce of gold will still make a certain amount of jewelry, or facilitate a certain amount of industrial processes.
My point is that the value of something is not necessarily it's monetary worth. The monitary worth is market driven. And the monitary worth of an ounce of gold, in dollars, has stayed the same for about twenty years. A sustained increase in the price of gold to over $450/ounce will be a signal of a marked decline in the worth of a dollar.
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of somthing stupid to say and then don't say it." - Sam Levenson
Logic
U are mistaken in asserting that the price of Gold has be the same for the last 20 years -- please do careful, all any of us have on this board beyond our anonimity is the credibility we offer our interlocutors.
"My point is that the value of something is not necessarily it's monetary worth." ---- You wasted both of our time.
The price of gold is only important insofar that it supports a currency. If it doesn't, then examining the long-term price of gold is rather meaningless -- you might as well examine oil, corn, or some other commodity.
Anyway, the current account, trade, and federal budget deficits are serious causes for concern since we're essentially depending upon the willingness of foreigners to lend us money for our lack of domestic savings, production, and government revenue.
When I travelled to Europe in mid 2001 I found it rather expensive because the NZ dollar was worth about 42 US cents and just under half a euro (before there actually were euro notes etc). Since then our dollar has risen about 15% against the euro (to .55 euro) but a whopping 60% increase over the US dollar (to 68 US cents for every NZ dollar).
Admittedly our currency was undervalued then but it still is a huge change.
Perhaps the world currency used to trade commodities should be changed to a stronger currency like the euro. If I was to travel to Europe again I wouldn't need to buy US dollar travellers cheques, just euro ones.
What we have is fiat money, without the Government pointing a gun at everyones heads it's worth only the cotton/linin/copper it's printed on. The worth of the dollar is now arbitrarily determined by the whim of the state and as such it tends to **** up the economy when they inflate it to greatly(every recession since our founding has been caused by t his excepting a few)
The U. S. Gold Standard was a monetary system that backed its currency with a reserve of gold, and allows currency holders to convert their currency into gold. The U.S. went off the gold standard in 1971. I had thought that the US went off of this currency standard so as to be able to put more currency into the flow of the economy at a more rapid rate. I personally don't think that would have an effect on the price of gold, but our dollars are not insured, and is possible, if you will, that the day may come where they may not be worth the paper they are printed on.
Last edited by Julie; 11 Oct 04, at 16:29.
Fiat money doesn't require government guns to be pointed at you to accept it. Islanders in the Pacific agreed to use shells or stones as money before they met westerners. Gold became the agreed upon currency for centuries becaue of its relative stability as a scarce commodity and the ease with which it could be coined. If copper was scarcer than gold then we would be referring to the "copper" standard today, not the gold standard.
Anyway, the monetarist explanation of inflation is just too simple -- it doesn't ask WHY velocity increases or why the amount of money in circulation suddenly goes up or down. US inflation in the 70s and 80s was largely the result of the oil shocks, government deficits due to the Vietnam war, and an expanding economy -- not some exogenous increase in money floating around out there. MV = PT is pretty inane unless you know why these variables increase to begin with.
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