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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy831028
    Like I said, I was joking.
    I believed you.
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    growing anti-American sentiment and the belief among Americans about 'American superiority'.
    The anti-American sentiment was allways there, it's just getting more press time now. I'm not sure about the American's belief of their superiority, we're not as nationalistic as you imply.
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    I am sorry if I offended you in any way
    No offence. In fact I am rarely offended.
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    What I am saying is that America has vested interests. They dont give a damn about the people of Iraq.
    And what I'm saying is, so what? All that matters is Saddam is gone, and the Iraqis are getting a chance they wouldn't have gotten if we had listened to other countries with vested intrests. Pepole's individual motives run the gambit from one extreme to the other, but who cares the reason, as long as the real bad guys get the shaft? BTW, many Americans do give a damn about the Iraqis, I'm living proof.
    Quote Originally Posted by Guy831028
    "It's amazing I won, I was running against peace, prosperity and incumbecy"
    He was speaking of the Dems attack tactics durring the 2000 election. The context matters, that's what's wrong with Moore too.
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    Why hasn't the Bush administration taken him to task?
    It's not illegal to take things out of context and add opinion. The Justice department would be more than happy to investigate anything Moore has evidence of, just like they have joyfully done to many other Presidents.
    Quote Originally Posted by Guy831028
    If he had told a lie, they would have taken him to court a long time ago.
    Same goes for the Bush administration. If it was an illegal war started with lies, and Moore has proof, then they would be in court.
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    Provided they don't have vested interests, like America.
    So you would choose to live in slavery because you don't want to be saved, by brown people that say Allah in their prayers, because they need to continue to trade with your country in order to survive?
    Quote Originally Posted by Guy831028
    When I say us whites, I means us whites.
    As long as you note I do not consider myself, or you, or anyone else, a color. You may define people as you wish, but I will not be party too it. The race game is a BS tool the liberals use to shame people into doing what they want.
    Quote Originally Posted by Guy831028
    And the Americans portray Arabs and Muslims as blood thirsty creatures who dont tolerate other people so that they can use Christianity and its 1.8 billion+ as a tool to spread their propaganda.
    Must be a different America. Here we preach tolerance for all, except those that wish to kill us, that's what America is all about.
    Quote Originally Posted by Guy831028
    But that is a cliche, I read somewhere else, I'll get back to you.
    Most things have been said before, but it's nothing I've ever seen. The point still stands though, hate is directable. Thankfully love is the other side of passion, and that is directable too.
    Quote Originally Posted by Guy831028
    George Bush has convinced you he is a saint.
    Actually, if GWB weren't the only one offering to fight for freedom, I would vote Libertarian like everytime before. (Actually that's a lie, I wrote in "Mickey Mouse" once. ) I agree with very little of what Bush has done, and the stuff I agree with I don't think was done right, but I don't even know what Kerry stands for from day to day. I don't care about the motivation, just what's done.
    Quote Originally Posted by Guy831028
    I'd like you to read a book entitled "1984" by George Orwell.
    Read it before '84, there are better conspiracy novels out there. "If you hamper the war effort of one side, you automatically help out that of the other. Nor is there any real way of remaining outside such a war as the present one. In practice, he that is not with me is against me." Orwell
    Quote Originally Posted by Guy831028
    Look at that new Anti-terrorism bill.If you are considered a terrorist, you are automatically placed in jail pending Further investigation and arent even given a lawer.
    American citizens were given lawyers, and the Supreme Court recently said foreign ones get lawyers too. To the best of my knowledge the anti-terrorism bill is about investigating and punishing terrorists.
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    I am not saying that the above is a fact, but what if it is?, shouldnt we be concerned?
    You should be concerned about real threats to your freedom, not conspiracy theory.
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    Sorry, well be friends from now on.
    Thank you. All we're doing here is talking, no matter how serious the subject.
    Quote Originally Posted by Guy831028
    But NO WMD's cant.
    You did see they've found a few right? Along with some of the equipment, used to make 'em, they were known to have as well. It would actually be worse if their people were training others to make them.
    No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack
    I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
    even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
    He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry

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    What I am saying is that America has vested interests. They dont give a damn about the people of Iraq.
    As Confed said, who caires?

    The Purpose of Government is not to care about the people of other countries but to care about us.

    growing anti-American sentiment and the belief among Americans about 'American superiority'.
    American system is supperior to Europen system.

    And the Americans portray Arabs and Muslims as blood thirsty creatures who dont tolerate other people so that they can use Christianity and its 1.8 billion+ as a tool to spread their propaganda.
    We do, since when?

    Yes, I got this from Micheal Moores "STUPID WHITE MEN" book, but think about it.
    Why hasn't the Bush administration taken him to task?
    Perhaps because Micheal Moore is an irrational twit who deserves neither praise nore acknowladgment.

    And in my opinion, its because what he had to say is the TRUTH.
    Just because you stick your head up your ass and deny reality, does not mean what you find is the "truth".

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    I do agree with Guy (Know him personally, he's my friend in varsity) on most things, but I think he was wrong about the ousting of Saddam.

    Sure its wrong for anybody to invade another country, but as a peaceful person and even as a Muslim, I think it was time for saddam to go and leave the Muslims in peace.

    Maybe America has vested interests, but only time will tell.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nisaar
    Maybe America has vested interests, but only time will tell.....
    There were so many people involved in the decision to remove Saddam, that their motives cover the entire spectrum. Personally "why" doesn't matter as much as "what", mostly because of times like this when every "why" is covered. BTW, a free Iraq is also a "vested intrest".
    No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack
    I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
    even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
    He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Confed999
    There were so many people involved in the decision to remove Saddam, that their motives cover the entire spectrum. Personally "why" doesn't matter as much as "what", mostly because of times like this when every "why" is covered. BTW, a free Iraq is also a "vested intrest".

    Well said. The good thing about America is that the government is almost always watched by the press, so the entire world will be clued up on all the conspiracies going on there.

    Anyway, I'm glad that a muslim country is on the verge of democracy.
    Thanks to America.

    I just hope they dont execute Saddam though, doing this will make him a hero in Muslim eyes.
    I hope he sits a good few years in jail to think about his actions before he croaks.
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    Nisaar,

    Are you a Shia?

    My fear is that when the elections come, it is bound to go overwhemlingly in favour of the Shia majority. This stems from the way Al Sadr seemed to have rallied his ilk around him (and so many of them senselessly gave their lives. That they had no chane agaist the US ws so evident). Hence the vote will naturally be 'coontrolled' and 'directed' by the Shia clergy and thus the pattern would be sectarian.

    There is no doubts that the Iraqi Shia have a lot of affinity with Iran and in fact some important ones had holed out there.

    Therefore, there is a good chance that the Shia clerics will hold the sway and then we might find we have a theocracy on our hands.


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    I have a few clarifications to seek on Islam.

    1. What is the difference between 'Moslem' and 'Islamist'?

    2. Earlier the form of goodbye was ' KHUDA Hafiz' but nowadays my Moslem friends say 'ALLAH Hafiz'.

    I always thught KHUDA = The Moslem God.


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    Khuda is God...just not for muslims but for everybody!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray
    Nisaar,

    Are you a Shia?
    My fear is that when the elections come, it is bound to go overwhemlingly in favour of the Shia majority. This stems from the way Al Sadr seemed to have rallied his ilk around him (and so many of them senselessly gave their lives. That they had no chane agaist the US ws so evident). Hence the vote will naturally be 'coontrolled' and 'directed' by the Shia clergy and thus the pattern would be sectarian.

    There is no doubts that the Iraqi Shia have a lot of affinity with Iran and in fact some important ones had holed out there.

    Therefore, there is a good chance that the Shia clerics will hold the sway and then we might find we have a theocracy on our hands.

    Well actually, I am a descendant of both Shia and sunni sects of Islam.
    What we have been doing (Started from my grandfather for my family) is trying to call ourselves just muslims(giving another name will cause further rifts in the religion) rather than anything else. There are quite a few of us out there already too.

    We believe in everything every other muslim out there beleives, but the difference is that we believe that even though the Quraan has not been tampered with at all, some hadeeths have been tampered with slightly. So when we read the hadeeth, we read it with a pinch of salt.
    Certain(one or two) versus in the hadeeth calls for the muslims to be war mongers, while the Quraan is totally against this, and obviously, so are we.


    Anyway, I think that it is highly likely for shia's to have a landslide victory.


    I'm not taking sides as to whether Americas invasion was right or wrong, but I think that for peace to become a reality, the Iraqi's will have to view the Americans more as 'liberators' rather than as 'invaders'. At this point, I don't think the Iraqis could stand on their own two feet if America pulled out. So I think it would be best for Iraq if America Stayed a while longer.

    Even if I was an Iraqi and wanted to fight the Americans, I wouldn't, because how the hell are they going to maintain the country and feed the people if America leaves them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray
    I have a few clarifications to seek on Islam.

    1. What is the difference between 'Moslem' and 'Islamist'?

    2. Earlier the form of goodbye was ' KHUDA Hafiz' but nowadays my Moslem friends say 'ALLAH Hafiz'.

    I always thught KHUDA = The Moslem God.

    Khuda is actually one of the words for God in URDU and to my best of Knowledge,Persian as well.

    The word for God in Arabic is actually ILLAH.

    The word ALLAH directly translated means "THE GOD",and ALLAH to a certain extent can be classed as the name of God. There are quite a few names for God among the languages that muslims speak(I don't intend to state the obvious, but that also includes the words "God")

    As for your first question, I have no idea. I guess thats people just playing with words.
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    Nissar,

    Thanks.


    "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

    I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

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