Thread: Mother gets 40 years for child abuse

Any more question over who deserves the death penalty?

Originally Posted by Dreadnought

Any more question over who deserves the death penalty?

She doesn't. 8th amendment: No cruel or unusual punishment. Proportionality clause: Furman v. Georgia. Essentially, penalty cannot be in excess of the crime. If they don't kill anyone, you can't execute them.

Your country (if one is in the US). It helps to know the laws, the basis inwhich it was found on.
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And people wonder whats wrong with society. Why in the world should she and her husband be allowed to live? Raping their own children for their own enjoyment?

Whats wrong with us is the fact that prison isint and hasnt been any kind of deterrant for these such crimes or for murder or other crimes. Now we just continue to come up with excuses not to execute people such as these pieces of trash above and Andrea Yates etc. Yeah lets let them keep preying on the innocent and our tax money and threaten them with prison and after they "act" cured they they get off after a couple of years and then do it again. We have become so soft its funny and I feel really bad for future generations.

She doesn't. 8th amendment: No cruel or unusual punishment. Proportionality clause: Furman v. Georgia. Essentially, penalty cannot be in excess of the crime. If they don't kill anyone, you can't execute them.

Your country (if one is in the US). It helps to know the laws, the basis inwhich it was found on.


I think our forefathers didnt consider that people could become so evil and viley perverted that they could use this law to shield them from the punishment that they truelly deserve. And all the lawyers think about is ways to circumnavigate them time and time again.

The laws/rights should not apply when handing out its punishment to such crimes against children wether its their own or others.

I feel the same sentiments that you do. But you're asking the legal system to address our sentiments, in particular revenge. What the judiciary is designed to do is to provide retribution for deterrence and to keep society safer by removing those that present a risk. No more no less. Also do you feel society owns peoples lives, so that it can take life in order to satisfy sentiment?

On the other hand if one of my children was raped by this guy I'm sure it would help me cope with it if he was tortured and then killed, especially if I got to do it.

Incidentally these people will always be a risk to children and should never be allowed back into society.

Ok since we cant /wont execute them then instead of being in jail doing nothing and burning our tax dollars perhaps we should rethink they're sentencing.

Choice one-execution by any means needed doesnt have to be a needle.

Choice two- Monitored service in say Foriegn countries U.S. Red Cross efforts after sterilization procedure for both the male and female. Let them serve their life sentence by making improvments in someone elses life (building housing,farming, delivering medicine). Since they chose to destroy anothers life. Never to return to the U.S. but may serve Middle East, Africa or any other poor nation where Red Cross is needed and closely monitored. Hell let them go seach for landmines etc and if one goes "boom" then no big loss and send them another replacement.

A win/win for society (no tax dollars being spent on court cases argueing about how far the toilet is from their bunk etc.) and for the victims knowing they will never return to the U.S. until they are deceased and if they are returned. As well a bonus helping others that are not as fortunate and if they break the laws there then they are sentenced by that countries laws even if its a death penalty.

Now you can't say thats not a fair proposition.

* You can be insane and still work* So that mitigates the insanity pleas.
* You are atleast given a choice how much more fare can it get.
* Your not costing the taxpayers of the U.S. anything and repaying a debt to society. And doing so in a humane way there by not violating their and I laugh when i say this "Rights"which they should be stripped of anyway after being found guilty.

Now that would deter would be child rapists, molestors and murderers etc.
ALL CLOSELY SUPERVISED and if they choose to run where are they going to go without a passport or traveling papers Into a dessert?

Originally Posted by Dreadnought

Ok since we cant /wont execute them then instead of being in jail doing nothing and burning our tax dollars perhaps we should rethink they're sentencing.

Choice one-execution by any means needed doesnt have to be a needle.

Choice two- Monitored service in say Foriegn countries U.S. Red Cross efforts after sterilization procedure for both the male and female. Let them serve
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Etc., etc., etc.. We still come down to the same point. It is cruel and unusual punishment, in violation of the 8th amendment. Plain and simple.

One can't speak for what the founding fathers were thinking since no one here was there at the time. Keep in mind, however, they did come from a time when people were being executed for stealing bread, thrown onto prison hulks for whatever offense to be left there, and essentially, punishment being handed out on the basis of whims. Basically, they built a system where the application of the law could be systematic and orderly, where the response was one of passionless response, not to satisfy one's thirst for revenge or the need to oppress.

At the risk of sounding Spocklike, turn off your emotions when it comes to crime. Two primary reasons why, though there are others. First of all, as stated before by me, if I work to solve offenses because I am intuned to the horrors done to the victim, then how will I perform when I don't feel those horrors, such as if the victim was a skidrow drunk? ALL are equally deserving of justice and it really doesn't matter if the victim is a sweet sixteen cheerleader or a speed freak that someone decided to pour gasoline on. (that is not what these people are but written for the purpose of not becoming emotionally involved with the victim) Secondly, there are crooks out there who love to shock and offend, push the buttons of the public with what they do. Deny them their pleasure by not reacting as they would expect one to react.

Yes, the people of the subject have done terrible things (assumed Given here). Nevertheless, in the United States, we do not execute people because of the horrors they have done (nor place them in harm's way) unless thru the due process of law it is determined that they have committed a death penalty crime.

We don't have that here. Plain and simple.
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Originally Posted by SnowLeopard

Etc., etc., etc.. We still come down to the same point. It is cruel and unusual punishment, in violation of the 8th amendment. Plain and simple.


At the risk of sounding Spocklike, turn off your emotions when it comes to crime. Two primary reasons why, though there are others. First of all, as stated before by me, if I work to solve offenses because I am intuned to the horrors done to the victim, then how will I perform when I don't feel those horrors, such as if the victim was a skidrow drunk? ALL are equally deserving of justice and it really doesn't matter if the victim is a sweet sixteen cheerleader or a speed freak that someone decided to pour gasoline on. (that is not what these people are but written for the purpose of not becoming emotionally involved with the victim) Secondly, there are crooks out there who love to shock and offend, push the buttons of the public with what they do. Deny them their pleasure by not reacting as they would expect one to react.

Yes, the people of the subject have done terrible things (assumed Given here). Nevertheless, in the United States, we do not execute people because of the horrors they have done (nor place them in harm's way) unless thru the due process of law it is determined that they have committed a death penalty crime.

We don't have that here. Plain and simple.

You don't have children, Do you?

Fine just make sure we put them in the general population when they get to prison Their "peers" will take care of the problem.