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Reply With QuoteBecause they can't believe that anyone could possibly be so stupid as to think that the 9/11 attacks were anything but what they were - hijacked airliners plowed into ground targets?Originally Posted by tw-acs
-dale
The first video from a security camera monitoring the pentagon, supposedly shows a 757 flying into the pentagon. However there is no 757 to be seen. The only thing seen is an exhaust plume. An exhaust plume as such is not consistent with that of a 757. Since there is no visually present exhaust from a 757. The closest thing to exhaust that can be seen from a 757 is water moisture taht has gone through the 757's turbines when it is at altiudes taht clouds are present.
The second video released was supposed to confirm the reports taht a 757 crashed into the pentagonon 9/11. However this video does not show a 757. It does show the tip of something enter the screen on the right and subsequently an explosion from that object impacting the pentagon on the left of the screen. USA Today showed on its front page a frame from the second video released by the Department of Defense that shows the tip of an object directed toward the pentagon. At first glance there appears to be some red in the circle that the USA Today picture depicts as the tip of a 757. However, examination of the second video released by the Department of Defense clearly shows that any red seen on the right of the image is not part of the moving object. In fact, the shape of the moving object is inconsistent with the nose of a 757 or any part of a 757.
Both videos can be viewed at http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/foi/index.html#911video
I would like to hear person's opinions on the matter.
What is the object?
Why hasn't the Department of Defense released the tapes that the FBI confiscated from the Citgo gas station, Sheraton Hotel, and Transportation Camera all with direct view of the Pentagon?
Why did the Department of Defense take so long to release the videos it did release?
Because they can't believe that anyone could possibly be so stupid as to think that the 9/11 attacks were anything but what they were - hijacked airliners plowed into ground targets?
-dale
-DalemBecause they can't believe that anyone could possibly be so stupid as to think that the 9/11 attacks were anything but what they were - hijacked airliners plowed into ground targets?
Which question are you addressing?
If it is that simple then, video footage will suffice as proof.
Maybe because they are the DoD and not the FBI. Put the joint down and read. FBI confiscated
Because they are low speed cameras designed to alert guards to people breaking into cars and walking around the yard. It wouldn't catch a "Money shot" of the plane unless they were damn lucky. (At which point people like you would be claiming that the cameras were slow speed and that DoD faked the photos). Ether way they loose because the"magical disappearing aircraft and passengers" crowd would adjust the facts to fit the theory. Just as you didWhy did the Department of Defense take so long to release the videos it did release?
Its called Tourist Season. So why can't we shoot them?
-Gun GrapeBecause they are low speed cameras designed to alert guards to people breaking into cars and walking around the yard. It wouldn't catch a "Money shot" of the plane unless they were damn lucky. (At which point people like you would be claiming that the cameras were slow speed and that DoD faked the photos). Ether way they loose because the"magical disappearing aircraft and passengers" crowd would adjust the facts to fit the theory. Just as you did
Which cameras are designed to "alert guards to people breaking into cars and walking around the yard"?
What do you mean by "people like me"?
How is it possible that almost all of the "757" was incinerated by jet fuel during the explosion but bodies from passengers on that "plane" were identifiable?
I have not claimed anyhing to be a fake regarding the pentagon videos. Don't Tell me what I have said or not.
The ones normally found in parking lots. Like the ones from the pentagon parking lot that you are talking about. And those from the other locations that you mentioned. Low definition, low speed. A 4 hr VHS tape will record about 24 hours worth from those cameras.
People that don't think for themselves an believe the BS without checking the "facts"What do you mean by "people like me"?
Pretty simple, another reason that places you in that "Those people" catagory.How is it possible that almost all of the "757" was incinerated by jet fuel during the explosion but bodies from passengers on that "plane" were identifiable?
What is the skin of the plane made from? How thick is it and at what temp does it melt/burn?
How long did the fire last at various areas that the bodies were found in and what was the temp?
How long does it take to cremate a human and at what temp is required?
If you kew those answers it is easy to see why it happened.
Its called Tourist Season. So why can't we shoot them?
If the tapes have nothing to hide, then why have they not been released to the public?
-Gun GrapePeople that don't think for themselves an believe the BS without checking the "facts"
Asking questions to determine what is fact or not is not just accepting the BS. Though that concept must evade your logic, or lack thereof.
The "Those People category"???
PLease define the "THose People category"
Planes do not have skin and they are made of a lot more than just the exterior of the fuselage.
If the plane was incinerated the bodies would have been as well. Think about it.
Will you please inform me and the other viewers of this thread of the answers you speak of that will allow me to clearly see things as you do regarding the pentagon videos and pentagon attack.
This thread is meant to allow persons to express there thoughts and views on this issue, not to denounce others views or opinions.
Are you a victim of head trauma or just a rejuvenated troll? The question I was addressing was clearly the question of yours that I quoted in my reply.
In case you aren't just a troll, but someone who really believes this Bantha poodoo of 9/11 conspiracy, please answer this for me: if the conspirators used airliners as they clearly did for the WTC and Flight 93 that they crashed, why use a non-airliner on the Pentagon?
-dale
You know what really pisses me off about these clowns? Sooner of later it gets down to a Govt conspiracy, but of course it's more than just the Govt.
It's all the military, fire department personel, police etc that are all colluding with the Govt., according to the conspiracy theorists, in committing mass murder.
You know the guys, they put fires out in your houses, they catch the burglars and give you speeding tickets, they fight wars on you behalf in foreign countries, but the conspiracy boys can't believe that a bunch of foreigners knocked down some buildings and killed thousands of people, those foreigners are too dumb for that, it must have been the firemen and building inspectors and airport security men and policemen and blah blah blah.
If I was a cop or fireman or any of the others who would have had to be complicit in these fantastical theories, I'd be pretty pissed at being called a mass murderer.
Parihaka-
On a similar note, back in the old BFC forum I asked the following of a 9/11 conspiricist:
"And, as has been said before, if the political machines, the media, the corporations, the justice system, the utilities, the banking system, and the military are all "in on it", THEN IT IS NOT A CONSPIRACY - IT IS SIMPLY THE WAY OF LIFE. And in that case why hide? Why sneak? Why pretend?"
-dale
Normally i just wouldn't bother with these people it's just I feel thinking back on that day what an amazing insult it is to all the people trying to save lives and dying in and around the buildings that these idiots turn round and imply that they were somehow in on a Government plot to kill their co-workers and friends....
Yep, when an aircraft is involved in a high-speed crash, it normally leaves ENORMOUS chunks of debris all over the place.
Or do they?
These photographs show the debris field of the crash of a DC-8 in a car lot in Sacramento on February 16, 2002
Can you spot the DC-8?
Speaking of debris, why was there was no aircraft debris recovered from the Pentagon?
Or was there?
A 757 landing gear rim. A good-sized chunk of a turbo-jet engine.
Standard office equipment I'm sure.
You know, like desktop tchotchkes and knick-knacks.
Well you know them damn Naval Aviators and their souvenirs
Its called Tourist Season. So why can't we shoot them?
It was a plane, there was debris and witnesses. This conspiracy is garbage, and has been refuted numerous times...
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