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Old 04-16-2005, 04:16 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Russia makes profits on African conflict....

Москва греет руки на эритрейско-эфиопском конфликте
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Москва и Дамаск на острие "Иглы"
26.01.2005
Президент Сирии приехал в Россию для урегулирования вопросов военно-технического сотрудничества
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Наследники "черной смерти"
25.01.2005
Минобороны РФ закупает 300 вертолетов Ми-28


В ходе визита в Россию главы эритрейского МИД Али Саида Абдуллы были проведены переговоры о расширении поставок российского вооружения в эту африканскую страну. По информации газеты "Коммерсант", стороны заключили контракт на поставку Эритрее 80 противотанковых ракетных комплексов "Корнет-Э" на сумму 165 тысяч долларов. Кроме того, Россия поможет эритрейским военным модернизировать поставленные ранее боевые самолеты.
Между тем, Эритрея вновь находится на гране войны с Эфиопией, которой Россия также активно поставляет оружие еще с советских времен. Предметом конфликта стал пограничный спор. В декабре прошлого года Эфиопия начала стягивать к границе войска, сосредоточив там 48-тысячную группировку. В марте руководство миротворческой миссии ООН сообщило Кофи Аннану о тревожной активности в районе концентрации эфиопских войск и предупредило, что в регионе в любой момент могут начаться боевые действия.

Эритрея отделилась от Эфиопии в 1993 году. Хотя обе страны населяют родственные народы, говорящие на семитских языках, но если эфиопы преимущественно христиане, то жители Эритреи в большинстве своем исповедуют ислам. Кроме того, после объявления Эритреей независимости, Эфиопия лишилась выхода к портам на Красном море, через которые во многом осуществлялись экспортно-импортные операции.

В 1998-2000 годах между обеими странами произошел кровопролитный конфликт, едва не завершившийся оккупацией Эритреи эфиопскими войсками. Только вмешательство ООН помогло прекратить войну. На время боевых действий было введено международное эмбарго на поставку вооружений в эти страны, которое было снято в 2001 году.

За последнее десятилетие Россия поставила в Эритрею вертолеты Ми-24 и Ми-17, самолеты МиГ-29 и ПЗРК "Игла". Эфиопия также закупила у России вертолеты Ми-17, Ми-24 и Ми-35 и самоходные артиллерийские установки 2С5. Однако в Аддис-Абэбе предпочли МиГам "сушки". Более легкие и маневренные Су-27 доказали свое превосходство над эритрейскими МиГами в ходе конфликта. При этом, по некоторым данным, в составе эфиопских ВВС воевали российские наемники, а на эритрейских самолетах летали летчики из какой-то другой страны СНГ, предположительно с Украины.

Следует заметить, что это уже не первый опыт поддержки Россией двух воюющих сторон. Во время вооруженного конфликта между той же Эфиопией и Сомали в 1970-80х годах Советский Союз осуществлял поставки оружия обеим странам, а советские военные советники находились при штабах противоборствующих армий.



http://www.lenta.ru/news/2005/04/15/missile/




Will somebody use auto translation for this??? It will take waaay too much time to translate it conventionally.. It just says that Russia has promised to sell some weapons to Eritrea....while tensions are flaring up with Ethiopia again....
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Old 04-17-2005, 23:25 PM   #2 (permalink)
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? 1998-2000 ????? ????? ?????? ???????? ????????? ?????????????? ????????, ???? ?? ????????????? ?????????? ??????? ?????????? ????????. ?????? ????????????? ??? ??????? ?????????? ?????. ?? ????? ?????? ???????? ???? ??????? ????????????? ??????? ?? ???????? ?????????? ? ??? ??????, ??????? ???? ????? ? 2001 ????.

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http://www.lenta.ru/news/2005/04/15/missile/




Will somebody use auto translation for this??? It will take waaay too much time to translate it conventionally.. It just says that Russia has promised to sell some weapons to Eritrea....while tensions are flaring up with Ethiopia again....
My Russian is getting really rusty. I can understand most of what it says though.
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Old 04-18-2005, 00:08 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Mikemun, could you edit your post to put the Russian text in a BBCode quote? Maybe it will fix the page layout.

It seems to say that Russia is playing both sides of the conflict.

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In the course of the visit to Russia of the head of Eritrean MID Ali said Abdully were carry ouied the negotiations about the expansion of the deliveries of Russian armament to this African country. According to the information of the newspaper "trader", the sides concluded supply agreement to eritrea of 80 anti-tank missile complexes "cornet -3" for the sum of 165 thousand dollars.

Furthermore, Russia will help Eritrean serviceman to modernize combat aircraft set earlier. Meanwhile eritrea again is located on the boundary of war with Ethiopia, to which Russia also actively supplies weapon even from the Soviet times. Boundary dispute became the object of conflict.

During December of past year Ethiopia began to tighten troops to the boundary, after concentrating there the 48- thousandth group. During March the management of the peacemaking mission OF UNITED NATIONS reported to Kofi Annan about the alarming activity in the region of the concentration of ethiopian troops and warned that in the region at any moment the war shooting can begin. Eritrea was separated from Ethiopia in 1993. Although both countries populate the related peoples, which speak in the semitic languages, if Ethiopians predominantly Christians, then the inhabitants of eritrea in majority their confess Islam.

Furthermore, after declaration by eritrea of independence, Ethiopia was deprived of output to the ports in the Red Sea, through which in many respects were accomplished export-import operations. In 1998-2000 between both countries bloody conflict occurred, hardly not completed by the occupation of eritrea by ethiopian troops. Only interference OF UNITED NATIONS helped to end war. To the period of war shooting was introduced the international embargo to the delivery of armaments into these countries, which was taken in 2001.

In the last decade Russia placed in eritrea helicopters Mi-24 and Mi-17, aircraft MiG-29 and PZRK "needle". Ethiopia also stocked up in Russia helicopters Mi-17, Mi-24 and Mi-35 and the self-propelled artillery units of 2Sshch. However, in Addis-Abebe preferred to MiGs "dryings". Lighter and maneuverability Su-27 proved their superiority over Eritrean MiGs in the course of conflict.

In this case, according to some data, in the composition of ethiopian VVS warred Russian mercenaries, and on Eritrean aircraft of lethal factor pilots from some of other country OF THE CIS, supposedly from the Ukraine. It must be noted that this is no longer first experiment of the support by Russia of two belligerents. During armed conflict between the same by Ethiopia and Somalia in 1970-80x years the Soviet Union achieved deliveries of weapon to both countries, and Soviet military advisers were located with the staffs of the opposing armies.
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Old 04-18-2005, 01:29 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Hell...I don't know what happened. I csn't edit it!!!!!!!SOS!!!!!!!!!
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Old 04-18-2005, 01:41 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Ok the reply thing was all the way to the left side.

But back to the topic....

Ethiopia and Eritrea having been having at it for a long time. Eritrea was part of Ethiopia until about the late 1980s. Then they had a war in the 1990s. People made a quick buck selling to both. Russia, the Ukraine and other ex WP/CIS people (along with another nation) made money selling to both. Italy sold only to Eritrea and we gave Ethiopia a few C-130s.

They actually got pissed at one nation who referbed MiG-21s for Ethiopia and sold naval equipment and other stuff to Eritrea at the same time.

Ethiopia got Flankers (Su-27S/UB) from Russia and Eritrea got MiG-29A/UBs from the Ukraine and later attirtion models from Russia. Hell Russian brokers were making money selling tanks and helicopters to both sides. Bloody war but Ethiopia won in the end. People watched as the Su-27 beat the MiG-29 in combat killing exports on new build MiG-29s all the more.

Since then Eritrea has picked up Su-27S/UBs and rebuilt their air force and army and Ethiopia seems to have had some purges.

Africa is were merchants of death make a killing...
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