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![]() I am also in the same league. Would savour hamstreak with fried peas rather than commissioned officers. ![]()
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Berlin, May 29: The DRDO and European defence consortium EADS have successfully developed an advanced missile warning system and will start its serial production soon.
Announcing this during the ongoing Berlin Air Show, the Netherlands-based EADS said it looked at India as a manufacturing hub from where the technology could be exported to other interested countries. The system developed by EADS and the Defence Avionics Research Establishment (DARE) of Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) has passed extensive flight trials successfully, paving the way for equipping several hundred rotary wing and wide-bodied aircraft of the Indian armed forces, the consortium said. The missile warning system, based on Missile Launch Detection System (MILDS), was tested on board an Indian Air Force test platform (aircraft) and was found perfect on all counts – detection probability, accuracy, false alarm and reliability, said the Chief Executive Officer of EADS' Defence and Security Division, Stefan Zoller. "Due to this success, the missile warning system has been accepted as indigenous equipment by the Indian authorities," he said. "After initial cooperation of Defence Electronics and (Bangalore-based) Alpha Technologies which has already been started, the transition of series production at the Alpha manufacturing base is foreseen in near future," the EADS said. From Indian Express If we have partnerships like this, building a working ABM system is not that far off. |
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Problem will be transportation. If rail lines and roads are hampered, which they will be in a nuclear attack, transporting the grain becomes the biggest problem. And the longer it sits there, the more prone it will be to becoming spoiled.
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If they hit the fuel depots and refineries, yeah it will be a problem otherwise they will just shrug it off. After all, US and Canada has large reserves of coal and they can always go back to coal fired trains. Or even back to horses and mules.
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Make no mistake though. People are going to die but lack of food would not be the problem. Getting it to the people or the people to the food is the problem.
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Getting either Food to people or people to food would be a serious problem and NO, presence of huge amount of coal is not going to sort things out. Coal Fired trains are a thing of the past, and these simply cant be built to order in massive numbers as per existing infrastructure AFTER a nuke attack, unless ofcourse someone is planning and storing these engines since long before a nuke strike happenned. Last I checked, no country - NONE - is making any of those. |
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Forget to add that moving food to people or vice-versa is going to be as much a problem for China or India as its going to be say for US or Canada or UK or Russia. Some countries would do only relatively better than the others and not a hell of a lot better than others.
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You mean carrying tons of Grains on mules or horse and right through the blast area, which anyways would be radioactive. Just to move 1000KG would require approx 40 mules/horses. Not probable.
But then again Horses and mules would be only solution, guess thats why wise men said, "Post Nuke War, Humankind will go back to from where human civilization started - Stoneage" ![]() |
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Sumku,
As long as they don't hit the refineries or fuel depots, transportation will not be a problem. As for coal fired trains, I would not be surprised if post-nuclear war planners had squirrelled away some steam engines for use. Here are a couple websites hypotheically theorizing about strategic reserves of steam engines and modified diesel locomotives, albiet in UK. Steam-Engine Reserves UK ON THE TRAIL OF THE STRATEGIC RESERVE. By Rory Lushman |
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Again just storing engines, would not be a good idea. Lets take an example of India. Remember the days of Coal Fired trains, which tracks they used to run on - narrow gauge, now everything is broad guage. So the engine made back then CANNOT be used now, Unless ofcourse, someone is still making new engines that would run on EXISTING Infrastructure, and storing these, and making new one's when the infrastructure changes. This is not happenning anywhere - definitely not in India and most likely is not happenning anywhere even in UK or US. Yes, few months after a Nuke attack, these can be used. But coming to think of it, a few months after a Nuke attack, the best bet would be use whatever resources are left in rebuilding the pre-nuke war infrastructure than spending them on making steam engines. What say ? |
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You're forgetting good fashion foot travel. If we take the Sichian earthquakes as the example which by far dwarf the combined arsenals of both India and China and Pakistan ... in fact add in the British and French arsenals as well (we've got roads that were tossed to the other side of the mountain). We have a casualties in the hundreds of thousands and the immediate military rescue was the local Chengdu Military Region with about 3 corps worth of men. They travelled by foot to most villages and there are still villages that not have not been reached. In short, in a months time, able body people were able to walk in ... and therefore walk out of the disaster zone. |
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I am not forgetting that. On the contrary Natural Calamities in my opinion cannot be compared with Nuke Strikes because of the following reasons:-
1) In Earthquake's, those able body people dont have to worry about RadioActive debris lying around them as it would be a case with Nuke War. 2) Earthquake happenned Sub-Surface with collateral damages evident on Surface, which is in stark contrast with Nuke Weapons. Nuke's would not detonate Sub-Surface, they would detonate on Surface, and whatever remains standing would be engulfed by Fast Moving massive columns of Fire and Shock Waves. 3) "local Chengdu Military Region with about 3 corps worth of men" were able to do this since earthquakes dont generate strong EM Pulse to knock much of machinery now being used to help the victims useless. 4) "local Chengdu Military Region with about 3 corps worth of men" were able to do all this since they were not involved first place in a war and this is a peace time and these people can engage in search and rescue. Something tells me that in a case of Nuke War, a lot of these corps wont be available first hand to help victims, for if they were available for Search and Rescue, then who is fighting the war. Just Nukes and no war involving soldiers. 5) EarthQuake happenned in just one place. Something tells me 100 50Kt bombs detonating over 100 locations in 25 Top Chinese Cities would make the Destruction caused by this Earthquake look small 6) Again in this Earthquake a Close to 90,000 people have died[officialy its somewhere close to 67,000]. 7) My Sympathies to all victims, but China inspite of this earthquake is quite fortunate since the collateral damage would have been a hell of a lot more, had it taken place near Beijing or Peiking. A lot of Shockwaves went through to area with no habitation[sparsely populated]. But 25 Nukes each 50kt would not be dropped in these mountainous region, but in areas with Critical Infrastructure, areas very densly populated. And yeah, if India, Pakistan,UK and France's combined Nuke arsenal were to be dropped on China effectively, China would cease to exist as any thing other than a non-entity Please lets not compare Earthquakes with Nuke. Both are different. Of all people here, you should know better.There is just no comparison. Within past 10 years, India itself has sufferred atleast 3 quakes bigger than what China got[at atleast 2 happenning in planes as opposed to mountains] and she also was able to get over that phase quite quickly[though its very hard for the Victims] |
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