astralis

dreadnought,

that hasn't been true since mao's time. it's more like the CCP riding the back of a tiger. they're very careful about when and how they hit. if china were democratic, i'd bet good money that the response would have been even harsher.

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astralis

it's funny how so many of these debates seem to end up in a pissing contest.

troung

The only way this could get worse would be to have a Cambodian, Somalian, Afghani and Canadian in a pissing contest.

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Zeng

If you have to use hash tone to make you point, then, I am sure that you achieved your goal.

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Polybius

Reality checks most of the inhabitants of Taiwan are not ethnic Chinese

ethnic Chinese are a minority of the people of Taiwan


Taiwan is a clear example how a multiparty democratic , free market economy is

look down, boycott and

throw under the bus by the West embraced of Big Investment and Business Dealing


Shame on the Western elite, Shame on the Western world and obvious all the nations understand that

following Taiwan example does not bring solidarity but isolation and detachment

So how many will follow Taiwan political reforms when the outcome is
to be the present Austria sold in the XXI Munich by the West

Ray

What exactly are you suggesting?

I will confess that it is difficult to connect the sentences since they appear split and as different thoughts.

Are you suggesting the Taiwan is a failure and is not worth considering?

I think Taiwan, which is such a small country, is doing exceedingly well and I have been following the issues of Taiwan right from my school days when Quemoy was shelled in a big way.

This small nation has stood up to China every step of their modern history?

They are not ethnic Chinese?

What are they?

I thought they were Chinese.

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ravi12

Like a troll, you introduce Indian child malnutrition into a tibetan and chinese riots thread and then expect decency??

If only, my rash tone could remove the chinese from tibet, if only.......

Parihaka

ravi12, debate the issue at hand, not your opinion of Zeng_xinren

cdude

Everything after my following post is pretty much irrelevant to the topic. I don't know how the debate is hijacked by some jackasses and became a China vs India piss contest.

Ridiculous, Please, people, read my post and share your opinions on Taiwan.

I just watched some TW news show today, Tibetan issue is no more the hot topic. Pundits are talking about Ma's future policy with China in light of the report on Washington TIMES that China has more than 1400 missiles aiming at Taiwan. That's 1100 more than 7 years ago.

The pundits sure know what the Washington Times is all about and give some very optimistic opinions on the future inter-strait relations. I just don't see the PLA reducing the number of missiles anytime soon. And even if they do, they won't let nobody know it due to the secrecy of the PLA.

But anyways, no India vs China on this threat please.

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cdude

Right on, right on... Some historians ( maybe the majority of the serious historians) would argue that Mao's motivation of the cultural revolution was to get rid of Liu Shaoqi's AND Zhou Enlai' sect. Mao wanted nothing but absolute power.

Mao successfully get rid of Liu and his people, but Zhou's influence and power was just too strong, so Mao didn't dare to show down with Zhou, and eventually, Zhou won the war ( Deng Xiaoping is Zhou's people).

Dictatorship sucks when the dictator is old and crazy.

ravi12

Now, china has two friendly govts in taiwan and australia, both having defence agreements with US- interesting days ahead.

As the chinese economy grows in size, taiwan will have either defacto amalgamation into china or complete revulsion. In the long term, the middle path is too costly for it. It will have to search for alternatives in terms of markets, business etc. in the second scenario.

Can the chinese push towards amalgamation? or the taiwanese opposition morph any move by the present govt towards china? My limited reading of politics after democracy suggest that it will always be the nationalist parties, which will have these kind of moves easier, as every move by the non-nationalists will be treated as treachery by the nationalist parties and thus will be a tough sellout for the common people.

cdude

Indeed, the US is stuck with Iraq and Afghanistan, China's influence is rising in east asia, of course neighboring countries will be more friendly towards China for NOW. If the current trend continues, those countries will be more and more neutral and become some sort of buffer zones between China and the US which is actually good for both sides.

In my opinion, Taiwan has a very positive influence to China by showing the Mainlanders that democracy works well with Chinese culture. And most of the pundits in China agree that it's not time to reunite Taiwan. China is not ready. If you follows the development of Mainland China closely in the past 3 decades, you would understand that China is indeed following Taiwan's model. At least it's what the academics in China think.

There is really no hatred between the mainlanders and the Taiwanese people. And Taiwanese people genuinely hope China to be prosperous, open, strong and democratic, that's also what the Mainlanders hope for. I date Taiwanese girls and befriend with Taiwanese guys. We are pretty much one people, only that Taiwanese are more traditional than our mainlanders.

ravi12

Buffer zones are only sustained when both sides play an active role in sustaining them. other wise- the buffer zones get gobbled up.
and dont forget that buffer zones are game for throwing away/robbing by both sides.

Uptil now Taiwan was treated as a buffer zone by china for america. As china raises will it continue to accept the same role??

For taiwan to remain a buffer zone, requires continuous american interference, every day a threat comes from china(which WILL happen), they will run towards america, seeking assurances. Failure of obtaining them even once, will mean that either taiwan will have to make the bomb for protecting itself from china or accept it has lost its buffer status.

As more and more news leak out of china like the 2000 bombs pointed at it, pressure from nationalists will increase to do something.

or am I missing something?

cdude

You missed a lot. For one thing, you should watch Taiwanese news shows, and see what those pundits are talking about.

yes, there are 1700 missiles pointed at Taiwan. But guess what those pundits ( both Green and Blue) think Ma should do?

Talk to China! Befriend with Hu, and ask China to withdraw some of the missiles! They know that the US use Taiwan to contain China, and they don't see why Taiwan should do that. They pretty much want to stay out of the thing. Especially they don't see why they should buy over-priced American weapons ( Patriot system) while the economy is like **** after 7 years of DPP.

Those are not my words, those are the words of Taiwanese political pundits.

and I'm pretty sure the mainland government will do soemthing to show their good will toward Ma. We'll see a warm inter-strait relationship for the first time in more than10 years. And this time, the mainland is more confident, mature and friendly.

cdude

sorry, I don't mean to be a spelling nazi, but I think you meant "Deng Xiao Ping"?