Deltacamelately

btw, Sir when was your 1800 Millionth bird day?

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Ray

But then there are selfless politicians too.

I recall Lal Bahadur Shastri.

The majority maybe horrid.

But I would like to say that loyalty is important.

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I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

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Ray

The Cultural Revolution was done to get rid of "liberal bourgeoisie" elements and continue the revolutionary class struggle.

It was basically used as a method to regain control of the party after the disastrous Great Leap Forward led to a significant loss of Mao's power to rivals Liu Shaoqi and Deng Xiaoping. Mao had lost his sheen in the "Three Years of Natural Disasters" and the "Great Leap Forward" that led to this.

On June 1, 1966, the People's Daily, the official newspaper of the CCP, stated that all "imperialists", "people with affiliations with imperialists", "imperialistic intellectuals", et al., must be purged. Soon a movement began, that was aimed at purging university presidents and other prominent intellectuals.

In the end, everything boils down to Power and holding Power!!

Tangyiying

The west has been demonising China for decades. It should not be surprise to see these media distort facts and make up stories. This is just the latest prove.

Tibet has been part of China for 4 hundred years. But it seems all of a sudden the west media found Tibet was " occupied" by Chinese when the communists came into power. Keeping bashing the Chinese state owned news agency brainwashes its people, the west media have done the same thing to their audience without a feeling of guilty. The Chinese netizens just find it. It is understandable their furiousness is all round as the romanized image of west media fell to pieces and evils are seen.

It is all about dirty tricks of politics. calm down, dude.

kuku

Hey you forgot this one.

YouTube - CNN World - Tibet Richard Gere speaks

Ricard Gere taking and the CNN showing Tibetan protest in Delhi.

If only you would let the media in, it would not be a problem.

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Zeng

Hahahahahaha,

If you feel bored to read democracy from my post, please think about our feeling reading so many Indian’s posts bragging your democracy and despises Chinese system.

I am looking forward to the day all our kids have enough food. That day has not come yet for China and for India.

We will have a different goal when that day comes.

Read my post, you immediately found so many “democracy”, but you missed the most important part of my post that is about child malnutrition.

It is amazing that you didn’t even mention the words of “child malnutrition” in your reply, not even once although I repeat those words again and again.

Is “child malnutrition” so unimportant to you?

India’s “child malnutrition” issue is not an economic one. India is much richer than Ethiopia and sub-Saharan Africa countries. If you missed that article, I post it here again.

Indian children suffer more malnutrition than in Ethiopia - Times Online

The statistics I provided shows that India may not meet the Millennium Development Goal while China exceeded it. I don't deny that India is improving. It is just not as fast as China regarding the reduction on child malnutrition.

No, I don’t think that India’s system is a hand out on a platter from some colonial past. Indians struggled and made a lot of effort to achieve it. I respect that very much. For me, Mahatma Gandhi is one of the most respectable person ever lived on this planet.

But do you think that you should give some credit to British for your system and democracy?

You have your choice to die for your causes. I respect that. However, whether your choice is a wise one is debatable if your choice does not give half of your kids enough nutrition and you missed the Millennium Development Goal while other guys exceed it.

Reference: Child malnutrition in India and China
http://www.ifpri.org/2020Chinaconfer...f_Svedberg.pdf

As a matter of fact, I know that in US and many western countries that the adults have the right to choose to be malnutrition but they don't have the right to choose malnutrition for their kids for whatever great causes they may think of. Please don't make that choice for your kids.

Also, I don’t consider that current Chinese leadership is “tin pot dictatorship” although you are free to make any labels on them.

You are very welcome. I totally agree that India is doing great right now and it should be doing better.

Agreed and that is why we make move slowly and trying to avoid someone lights up our house.

Please ask Adus about that. He showed us lot of awesome indigenously developed super weapons from India.

Interesting, thanks for the information.

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Dreadnought

Rights of the people is always a speed bump though to this government.

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kuku

i know, i could guess.

Even i despise any system that does not trust its people.

Just posters on internet man, real democracy in India lies in the Villages, some of them are really turning things around. The city folks do not even vote in the same numbers.
I thought you had explained the problem of food distribution in great detail and i thought you had some idea about it, hence the no touching, however since you have personally asked about my opinions.

Am i concerened about the rate of malnourished Children.

Yes i am, however we as a nation have just about crossed the mark where people were dying of hunger(last 20 years), so it is not ringing too many bells.

I will try to find the figures, as you said the problem is not of funds or of food grain stocks, it is a simple problem of migrating populations and the utter faliure of the public distribution system to deal with the huge numbers of people and families which need the resource.

We have enough funds and enough food grains to take care of the nation (that might become a problem in the next 5 years), however somehow only 49% of the families that require this help have access to the Public distribution system.

So what do we do about it, well we change the system, make it more dynamic, include private sector and include the expertise of other nations in dealing with the situation.

Are we robbing the people who need this food of their human rights, yes we are, food and education to kids is a basic right they should have, and people are working on it. There is no denying it.

The improving economy will make this situation better if we are right now able to take a decision to go for as much indigenous production of the food required to meet the global shortage even though that may not be the most economically viable thing (subsidies in india vs in other nations and all), however the socialist outlook on food distribution has to be changed dramatically.

Did the British play any role in making India a democratic nation, well their being the occupier and all will be a start, however many nations were under the British occupation and did not end up so bright, the prime factor in my opinion was a leadership that was strong enough and had the goals in sight, the problem was the socialist outlook they had on economy, the global situation could have propelled India towards Communism as easily as Democracy, the current communist parties in India should give you a hint.


Is my choice of dying without this freedom a sane one, their is a good chance that it is not a sane choice, however no other system changes the system until as i said the current socialist outlook on everything is changed.
As i said, if someone tells me people are not capable of governing themselves and need to be given orders, i will fight that person to whatever end.

This cause is a noble cause.

And every system which concentrates power to such a degree that it becomes probable that a single person can dictate what millions can do, is a dictatorship.

I hope that works out, your government should try to give more power at the village level, see how that works out, ordinary people have to be trusted to be able and willing to decide for their lives and their nations.

Look at India, 50 years and still we are evolving.

Other wise we might as well be ants in a ant colony. It will look just about the same.
Just weapons man, none are awesome, none suck big time, as long as they do the job.

Ok done editing.

Ray

Zeng,

Malnutrition is the lack of sufficient nutrients to maintain healthy bodily functions.

Malnutrition as the result of inappropriate dieting, overeating or the absence of a "balanced diet" is often observed in economically developed countries (eg. as indicated by increasing levels of obesity).


The above is what would have appeared in Peoples' Daily if the accusation of malnutrition was levelled at China!!

While you are concerned, so was I concerned during the "Three Years of Natural Disaster".

What worries me more is that the real situation in China is never known, because of the controlled media, wherein the truth and actual situation is hidden from the Chinese as also from the world.

And I am sure you are aware that the Communists are good at fudging their Statistics and facts.

Like, we now know that Mao fudged the Cultural Revolution and it was actually to remain in power.

How many died in the Three Natural Disasters, Great Leap Forward, Cultural Revolution, the Disturbances in Tibet, the Disturbance in Xinjiang?

None knows because the Communists won't tell the truth!

And what surprises me is that the Communists are disloyal to themselves!

Imagine, today China is doing well just because they have hijacked the most hated economy policy - Capitalism! Mao must be turning in his grave. Imagine accepting the enemy's theories as right when throughout the Communist history, China has fought their class struggle etc!! Imagine the shame brought upon the struggling peasant and workers that they were wrong and for which they worked so hard to live up to!!

How could China abandon such a beautiful ideology and adopt the most hated economic policy of capitalism where the worker and peasants are exploited!!

And the great part, is that the Chinese are praising their good progress but forgetting that their ideology has been defeated and in rags - an ism that many gave their lives for and called other nations as "capitalist running dogs''!!

Duplicity and hoaxes of the Communists never cease!

The new Great Helmsmen are Keynes and Adam Smith.

Where are the beautiful theories of Mao, the Great Helmsman and where is his little Red Book?

kuku

Went through the report, again its more of a simple progressive graph, which is not factoring in other policies that are coming in, for example reforms in the rural economy centered around creating more jobs in the rural sector, the rural employment guaranty scheme is a example.

It is in some what of a mess right now, however that does not mean it can not improve, hence a figure to 2015 might be hard to predict.

India eNews - Rural employment scheme to cover all 596 rural districts
India's National Rural Employment Guarantee Scheme put on hold | News | Down To Earth magazine
All about India's rural job guarantee scheme

This is just a part of it, the larger picture could be rather different from the graphical representations based on a lot of factor, the increasing cash in the hand of the government compared to the economic crisis of 1990s is another factor.

The overall situation of Education and nutrition could be very sharply different from the current situation or the graphical predictions if the overall schemes planned to deal with the situation meet even 50-70 percent of the attained objective.

millennium development goals
- eradicating extreme hunger and poverty.
- Achieving universal primary education.
- Promote gender equality and empower women.
- Reduce Child mortality.
- Improve maternal Health.
- Combat HIV AIDS, malaria and other diseases.
- Ensure Environmental stability.
- Developing a global partnership for development.
The UN Millennium Development Goals

As for the India China debate over it, a China that meets and exceeds the above listed goals is a good thing, in fact a brilliant thing as a lot of the worlds population resides in China, do i think it has got anything to do with China Being under CCP, no i think the Chinese people could have achieved the same results under a democratic rule however that is something we will not find out in our life times.

A India that does well is even better.

That however does not change anything, as both the nations evolve their relations might be better on the economical path, however they will continue to be hostile in a the negotiating tables.

Is China ahead of India, you only have to look at the economical books to get a idea.

Will India catch up with China economically, well if i knew the answer to that i would have been amongst the richest people on earth, that sort of ability to predict economical situations comes with a good pay check.
Here is my opinion, if China can catch up with the USA in the predicted time, with things going right India could catch up with China, again "things going right" and no one knows how they will go.
And for all the typing my opinion could be a lot of BS, i can not even manage my own salary (.

Ray

Zeng,

And the best part is that none of the govts in India are delivering as fast as we want.

Therefore, we change govts and hope someone worthwhile comes along.

Imagine if Deng Xio Ping was elected as head when he tried to reason with Mao and instead he was sent packing.

If that happened China would have outpaced the world. Maybe.

But you cannot change govts or personalities.

kuku

Mr. Ray i believe we have been firmly suckered into explaining our own faults as soon as we highlight others faults.

Some one once said "he who casts the first stone should be the one who has not lied", and everyone afterwards kept on lying happily ever after.

stephenli

I don't think letting the media in will make any difference.
I think what western media broadcast are independent from what they really know. In other words, they will still distort the reality at their will even if they know the truth.

ravi12

True, very true. We have removed casteism from the constitution in 1950 and made it a criminal offense to take a persons caste name. Yet we are having to listen to the platitudes from various countries on human rights!!

and we before pointing a finger at others, explain not their mistakes but go on and on how we are correcting our mistakes. Our dhimmitude is growing to new heights. It has almost reached an art form.

Imagine a CCP supporter lecturing us on human rigts and we pitifully explaining our position, hey we have not killed millions of people for this, they did. and we the usual suckers!! of the highest order, what do we do - quote the "stone" statement and then shut up. It is comparing a stealing of pencil to a murder/rape and we because we stole a pencil, we dont have right to comment on murder.

ravi12

Yes, I personally despise Chinese system and communism!
Before commenting on malnutrition in India(stealing of pencil) read about the GPCR and cultural revolution(murder and rape).
No, sir. Child malnutrition is very important to us. But far more important is my freedom. For the sake of eradicating malnutrition, I wouldnt want to see 2 million dead, courtesy GPCR.
Let me say how much percent of credit I give credit to British for our system? Absolute negative 100%.

Literacy rate of 8%.
life expectency -31 years.
When British left India, do you know how many states they left? 552 SOVEREIGN states.
We made all the states come to India over a period of 3 years - with ZERO violence. There were problems with 3 states and they were because Pakistan and English tried to interfere. All the kings were talked into coming to India. and I salute these kings for choosing that.
Please wear a sock while I rue the loss of British empire in India
Sry to the admins, for the rash tone. However I will never let comparing stealing a pencil and murder/rape. as I explained in the previous post, sorry for that.