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"Now stay out of Ukraine, Georgia, and Central Asia."

Just as soon as the Ukrainians, Georgians, and central asian republics tell us, we shall. Meanwhile, what business of that is yours?

Catch a clue. Russia's "sphere of influence" extends and is recognized all the way to... your border. Any diplomat would tell you that and no more. Russia's fears of the missile defense system is baseless. Our gov't has done everything reasonable to assuage your misguided concerns and been rejected out of hand.

If we didn't care, we wouldn't try to integrate Russia into the program. If it was AIMED at you, we sure as hell wouldn't. After that, it boils down to your leadership creating needless external discord to elevate unity around Putin.

The shield isn't aimed at Russia.

Should it be?

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Feanor

I can tell you one thing. If I was the U.S., it would be.

tankie

But , but , but , i aint never been , i went to Thailand ,,,,,, does that count

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"i went to Thailand ,,,,,, does that count"

Depends why, tankie.

tankie

Well 1stly , it was to check out the ancient Buddhist temples and to look at the ancient structures , but then the Chap , PM,d me , and he gave me some suggestions with a reference to some inter continental ballistic ping pong balls and other missiles fired from a cave type platform , by some stunning lady soldiers in the Thai field mattress brigade ( all volunteers of course ) and do you know what , it was marvelous to gaze at the accuracy these : soldiers : could attain without the aid of a FOP, the only other time i witnessed such shooting with said missiles was in a sweet little hamlet in Germany called Hamburg, and it was there i saw the 1st :soldier : put on a charge of negligence for missing the target , and in the process extinguished a candle by the side of the er , ahh yes veh , they were shooting from , i was impressed but Sgt Major umplegrumplfuhre wasnt

Firral

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On mine you contradict to yourselves! First you speak that the missile shield will help you against Russian rockets, and then that he not against Russia. Be defined at last!
Only in your dreams.
The sphere of influence and interests of Russia reaches far outside its borders. Just as sphere of influence of the USA.
Question:
What have you told, if Russia has founded the military base in Mexico? You probably would be against! The same as against rockets on Cuba.
So why we should suffer your games near to our borders?

PS: Your trouble, that you think that have the right to any action in the world, and forget, that except for you, on this planet there live the free nations having, not similar to your interests.

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HistoricalDavid

Memo to Russia:

1) Eastern Europe is your backyard?

Take it from an Eastern European if you like: F-CK OFF.

2) You admit an overinflated ego? First step to recovery is admitting the problem.

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Firral

Memo to USA and UK:

Planet the Earth - yours backyard?
Take it from an Inhabitants of a planet the Earth if you like: F-CK OFF.
(Especially strongly from Iraquis, Iranuis, Serbs)

Shamus

"All right you lot!!!Can't we all just get along??!!" shouts Shamus as he loads rifle magazines in his fortified bunker........

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S-2

Firral,

The shield will happen. The only reason it won't is if used as a bargaining chip for something better. Russia has been offered a large role in the shield program which has been rejected.

That's too bad. It was in your interest to participate. It remains in our interests to continue through with the project. So tha's what we'll likely do.

Our spheres of influence come and go. They are determined by our existing allies, military and economic aid, and points/policies of convergence. Your's are envisioned as permanent, attained coercively, and are neo-imperialistic. Thus they attain little leverage and become onerous burdens.

We'll live with Serbia and Iran's wrath. Especially Iran's. Especially with a shield directed at them. Russia will learn to live with the unpleasantness of a missile defense shield aimed at Iran from Poland and Slovakia (or wherever) I suppose.

WEBMASTER/MODS- I'm having SEVERE technical issues with posting just recently on this board (last twenty minutes or so). Is there something going on?

Firral

About the basic purpose of a shield - the control of air space over Russia, some your scientists speak even. Look at the globe, why Czechia and Poland, instead of Greece and Turkey? That is easily seen through, however your politicians continue to try to make the good face, at bad game.
After disorder of the USSR we have lost the spheres of influence. Now we have returned, and slowly, but persistently we return them to ourselves. It that causes in you a nervous trembling and irritation. It why your mass-media pour tons of dung to Russia. It why Putin for your mass-media became the dictator, and Yeltsin (the shot House of the Government in 1993 from tank guns) was the true democrat.
All is very simple. In business speak, " it is business, anything personal ".
But you do not perceive it easy: in mass-media you call us dictatorship, Putin - the tyrant, Russian - spiteful aggressors. Each Russian having Internet or the western channels on TV sees it (these are 25-40 % of the population). It causes irritation as is rough lie.
Thus, you burn down bridges of cooperation and build walls of misunderstanding.
Then you should study to live with such things (to like it or not), as for example delivery of the Russian weapon in your opponents, tests of new rockets, blocking of your purposes and decisions in the politician, etc.
It only dissymetric reaction, is more than anything. Passive always loses, unless not so?

S-2

"About the basic purpose of a shield - the control of air space over Russia, some your scientists speak even."

That's untrue.

"However Russian Air Force chief Vladimir Mikhailov on Thursday played down the missile shield's potential threat to Russia.

'These systems don't provide any particular danger to us.... They have more political weight than military,' he said, Interfax reported. 'If they have money and nothing else to do with it, let them build it.'"

Russia Rejects U.S. Offer on Missile Shield

"After disorder of the USSR we have lost the spheres of influence. Now we have returned, and slowly, but persistently we return them to ourselves."

We'll see. Don't think that you have much to offer, though, except guns, tanks, and threats. Sounds like Feanor is correct.

Firral

Let us wait and see.
However now the USA it is very vulnerable: your positions in the world are loosened, you have got stuck in two defeatist wars, yours the economy suffers crises.
The dissymetric answer, it when our delivery in cost in 1 billion, will demand from you much greater expenses for overcoming. These are injections a needle which will not allow you to be hegemon. And at us it is a lot of ways to put them to you.
Absence of your hegemony is everything that we want.

Dreadnought

I wouldn't state in any sense that we are vulnerable nor overreached as some would choose to believe. If Russia wants to continue to sell weaponry to crazy muslim extremeist such as Iran and Syria then so be. The quality of the missles sold to India so far pretty much speaks for itself. They failed and the quality was at the least poor. The mismanagement of funding for India's carrier also speaks of military/political disillusion. Russia is doing nothing more then a poker face and trust me she is very worried about the missle shield and the countries that want them both politically and defensively. They are also very concerned that India will decide to shop elseware taking the carrier funding with them. If that happens Russia will be in quite a dilema so to speak.

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braindead

I´d be very interested if you´d explain this more closely ?
Define your version of ´spheres of influence´ and how you are slowly but persistently returning us to yourselves ?
Is it something that ´belongs´ to you and by what reason would you be entitled to this ?

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