Why are Nations worried about China?

Ray · 12-22-2007, 00:28 AM

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Greater China
Dec 22, 2007

In China, tension and triumph

By Kent Ewing

HONG KONG - By most indicators, 2007 was yet another bang-up year for China. The country's economy continued to sizzle, and President Hu Jintao was re-anointed as Chinese Communist Party (CCP)general secretary for another five years.

In addition, a proud nation launched its first lunar probe, further staking its claim in space, and is preparing to host next summer's Olympic Games. In short, this year's events serve as a further reminder that China, after suffering a bloody and tumultuous 20th century, has arrived on the world stage as a nation respected by the developed world and envied and copied by the developing one.

So what is everyone so worried about?

It was Confucius who said: "The superior man, when resting in safety, does not forget that danger may come. When in a state of security, he does not forget the possibility of ruin. When all is orderly, he does not forget that disorder may come. Thus his person is not endangered, and his states and all their clans are preserved."

While all is not exactly orderly in today's China, things are better than they have been since long-dead emperors turned up their noses at the rest of world, assured of Chinese superiority. Much of the past century's chaos and destruction has been banished for a vision of a nation that is not only a rising economic and military power but also a responsible member of the international community. And, while there is much evidence to support that vision, there is also cause for Confucian worry.

Hu's qualified triumph

But how many first-tier nations are one-party states afraid of their own people? The re-anointment of Hu at this October's 17th National Congress of the CCP may have been a triumph for the president and for the party, but it was a reminder to the rest of world that China, despite its slick new capitalist veneer, is still a totalitarian state. So-called "intra-party democracy" was one of the themes of the congress, which sounds promising enough.

As it turns out, however, the ideal of democracy has been turned on its head by Chinese leaders to justify continued authoritarian rule. Li Yuanchao, newly elected at the congress as a member of the country's ruling Politburo, made that clear in an article published last month in the party's chief mouthpiece, the People's Daily.

"While expanding democracy within the party," Li wrote, "we must also uphold the unity of the party, and we must conscientiously abide by the party's political discipline, always be in agreement with the central committee and resolutely safeguard its authority to ensure that its resolutions and decisions are carried out effectively."

In other words, democracy with Chinese characteristics equals one-party rule, and the congress served as a perfect example of this. Within carefully prescribed parameters, there were all the trappings of democracy - debate, elections, winners and losers - but none of the free thinking and spontaneity. This was a perverse form of democracy by script, with preordained results. And those results were good for the president, although not as good as he had probably hoped.

Hu succeeded in strengthening his rule by packing the 204-member central committee with allies from his power base, the Communist Party Youth League. He also saw his theory of "scientific development" enshrined in the party constitution, elevating him into the pantheon of Chinese leadership along with party founder Mao Zedong, paramount leader Deng Xiaoping and Hu's immediate predecessor, Jiang Zemin, all of whom have been so honored.

In a sure sign that the era of the strongman is over in Chinese politics, however, the president did not get everything he wanted. For example, he also no doubt hoped to see his much-ballyhooed concept of "building a harmonious society" emblazoned in the constitution, but the congress' 2,200-plus delegates consigned that piece of wisdom to the dustbin of history. Building a harmonious society implies living in a disharmonious one. That is not a point the congress wanted to underscore as the leadership prepares to tighten the screws on the economy, further dividing the haves from the have-nots in a country whose wealth gap is already cause for alarm.

Hu was also denied his choice of a successor. Of the new blood elevated to the all-powerful nine-member Politburo standing committee, Hu backed his protege former Liaoning party secretary Li Keqiang, to take over from him when his second term expires in 2012, but the choreography of the congress suggested that "princeling" Xi Jinping will be China's next leader. Xi's famous father, a hero of the revolution, and privileged party background seem to have trumped Li's close connection with the president. Xi is the son of Xi Zhongxun, who served as a senior party official before he was purged by Mao. Later rehabilitated by Deng, the elder Xi rose to become a member of the Politburo, an achievement exceeded by his son at the congress, where he was elected to the most exclusive and powerful club in China, the Politburo standing committee,

In today's more media-savvy China, the younger Xi's profile is further enhanced by his beautiful wife, soprano Peng Liyuan, who has won the middle-aged and older hearts of the nation with her renditions of folk music and patriotic songs, as well as her performances in Chinese operas. A Xi presidency would be different in that the president would have to share the limelight with his famous spouse. And the couple has a daughter named Mingze, which means usefulness, innocence and moral probity in Chinese. The threesome would be the first first family of China to offer beauty and glamour as a complement to dark suits and political slogans.

Fiddling while Rome burns

Of course, Xi must play his cards right over the next five years to win the prize - as must his rival, Li. At this juncture, however, insiders see Xi as president and Li as his premier. In the meantime, Hu and current premier Wen Jiabao face the mixed blessing of a booming economy that has brought great benefits to ordinary people but at the same time profoundly damaged the country's environment and led to rampant corruption in the provinces. Wen, who is responsible for keeping the economy on track, has taken much flak recently, even from within the party, for the ineffective series of remedial measures implemented over the last year. To sum up this barrage of criticism: "Nero fiddles while Rome burns."

But it is not just Wen who is fiddling. Half-measures are the norm in China. For example, while the central government's anti-corruption campaign nets a big fish - former Shanghai party boss Chen Liangyu - on charges of stealing US$470 million from the city's pension fund, the little fish (and a lot of other big ones) continue to swim in the culture of corruption among local officials. Lofty pronouncements on the evils of graft at the top are commonly ignored at the lower echelons of power, where there is inadequate oversight and follow-through on policy implementation.

The same is true of China's belated efforts to clean up the environment. The State Environmental Protection Administration names and shames a few companies, issuing fines and tough admonishments about future violations. Meanwhile, China's sky becomes darker with pollution and its lakes, rivers and streams more defiled.

The problem is not that nothing is being done to address the country's most pressing issues. Chinese leaders, for the most part, have talked the right talk and walked the right walk. But why are there so few results? Like everyone else, they seem to be holding onto a hope and a prayer that, after all these years of stunning economic growth and five-year plans, China's landing will be a soft one in 2008.

Trade tensions

Who can argue with nearly 30 years of soaring economic growth that now stands at 11.5% per annum? Indeed, for five consecutive years, the Chinese economy has posted double-digit growth. As a result, millions have been lifted out of poverty as the middle class expands and China's club of millionaires grows faster than in any other country. China's remarkable economic rise has been one of the biggest stories of the year for many years now. What is different about this year, however, is that there is much more tension and conflict in the narrative.

The Western world, especially the United States, has clearly become impatient with Beijing's version of the market economy. China-bashing has become a popular sport in the halls of the US congress and on the presidential campaign trail, where candidates try to win cheap votes with attacks on China's trading practices ahead of the key January 3 Iowa Caucus and the slew of primaries to follow. Now the European Union, usually less strident in its approach to China on trade issues, appears to be moving closer to the tougher stance taken by the Americans.

EU Trade Commissioner Peter Mandelson, in Beijing last month for a six-day economic summit, was downright confrontational. Mandelson called repeatedly for China to allow its currency, the yuan, to rise more freely against other currencies. Even though the yuan has risen by more than 11% since the Chinese leadership decided to abandon its peg to the US dollar in July 2005, critics say the currency is still undervalued by as much as 40%.

Mandelson also made pointed references to China's disappointing product-safety record, calling for the "tidal wave" of counterfeit Chinese exports to stop. "Some Chinese officials pointed out that less than 1% of China's exports to Europe had alleged health risks," he said in a speech at the opening of a forum on international food safety. "But Europe imports half a billion euros [US$750 million] worth of goods from China every day, so even 1% is not acceptable."

Mandelson's bluntness drew the ire of China's "iron lady" of trade negotiations, Vice Premier Wu Yi. "I am very dissatisfied with Peter Mandelson's speech," an angry Wu responded.

And that exchange pretty much set the tone for the summit.

Wu followed up this month by opening the latest installment in the ongoing economic dialogue between Washington and Beijing with a blast at US protectionism. Speaking in the resort city of Xianghe, where the talks where held, Wu alluded to "unharmonious notes" in the relationship between the two countries and expressed alarm over the "rise in the amount of congressional legislation against China, obvious politicization of economic and trade issues and tightening control on imports". Wu also complained that the American media's "exaggeration of China's food and safety problem has seriously damaged the reputation of China-made exported products and the country's image".

Visiting US Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and US Secretary of Commerce Carlos Gutierrez tried to smooth over differences during the two-day colloquy, which concluded with a raft of minor agreements praised by both sides. But the underlying tensions remained and will not go away anytime soon. The undervalued yuan, the ballooning US trade deficit with Beijing, tainted food, massive recalls of Chinese-made toys and routine violations of intellectual property rights - all serve as red meat in Washington's China-bashing contest.

Like Wu, China's finance minister, Xie Xuren, has also complained openly about more than 50 bills raised in congress related to trade with China. In an interview with the official Xinhua News Agency, Xie said, "At present, the tendency within congress toward protectionism is, in fact, rather worrying," warning that passage of any of this proposed legislation would "seriously harm China-US trade cooperation and, in the end, harm America's own interests".

The good news is that most in Washington know that Xie is right, and much of the anti-China sentiment ultimately falls on deaf ears in the White House. But not always. The George W Bush administration filed a formal complaint against Beijing with the World Trade Organization (WTO)last April over copyright piracy and counterfeiting. The US has also complained to the WTO about what it regards as illegal subsidies of Chinese exports. So the danger of a trade war persists, especially with the subprime mortgage fiasco threatening to push the US into recession.

Meanwhile, China's economy is overheating, and the possibility of a meltdown is quite real. Because of the undervalued yuan, the country is awash in liquidity, with an estimated $40 billion a month pouring into the Chinese economy. The money supply has increased by 18.5% over last year, bank loans are up 18% and investment in fixed assets - such as new factories, machinery and office equipment - has risen by 30%. Property prices keep climbing, and the stock market bubble is as tight as a drum. In addition, inflation is humming along at 6.9% as of last month.

Something's got to give

If Beijing plans to introduce any economic measures that truly bite - steeper interest-rate hikes, for example, or faster appreciation of the yuan - these will have to wait until after the Olympics. Chinese leaders live in fear of the social unrest that could be prompted by tightening measures that truly tighten, and they do not want mass protests over the economy to sully the image of Olympic glory that the country presents to the world during this signature event, the biggest symbol yet of China's arrival as a first-tier nation.

So forget all the problems. Break out the champagne and the patriotism: the Olympics are coming.

Kent Ewing is a teacher and writer at Hong Kong International School. He can be reached at kewing@hkis.edu.hk.

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Is the worry about China real or manufactured?

wangrui961 · 12-30-2007, 14:07 PM

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Is the worry about China real or manufactured?

go to youtube and search "china city"
or beijing ,shanghai ,guangzhou ,shenzhen ,hongkong ,chongqing ,dalian,nanjing,qingdao ,hangzhou ,suzhou,tianjing.....and so on
you may use google or baidu to search china pics,find how china is now,how people live here,you will find what they worry about.

Rakshas · 01-01-2008, 14:22 PM

I believe that a lot of the 'fear' about China can be attributed to 'asymmetric information'. There is a huge information asymmetry when it comes to China - right from the size of the army, to the development of military capabilities and intentions.
China is developing at a fast pace, and is a regional power - in terms of economic and military might - no doubt, but it is also a fast developing bubble.

Tronic · 01-01-2008, 14:26 PM

And add lack of transparency with that and you get resentment, since no one can figure out true intentions.

troung · 01-01-2008, 16:00 PM

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Is the worry about China real or manufactured?

They are communists who have waged wars of aggression against their neighbors, they threaten nations in the region, they actively support genocide.

They are behind most of the evil regimes on earth.

wangrui961 · 01-02-2008, 00:24 AM

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China is developing at a fast pace, and is a regional power - in terms of economic and military might - no doubt, but it is also a fast developing bubble.

bubble?
The southeast asia's bubble once broke,so did Japan's.
The U.S money entered in and go out when they earned enough.Southeast asia countries don't have strong captial,they can just be defeated when Soros marched.
But china's captial is huge and strong,we have many funds with hundreds of billion yuan,Soros and many other U.S funds is not elephant here.The China National Investment Company has 1.55 trillion Registered Capital and they will get more and more. The China Petroleum has the world's biggest market vlaue,once twice of the world second Exxon Mobil.5 of the world's top ten market vlaue companies are in China. Some west experts asserted China bubble would break in the end of 2007,but the fact is the "bubble" is still strong.
I am working in the stock market,i didn't find so-called bubble.
We are not japanese either,the U.S goverment forced appreciation of the yen,they must obey because their testis are seized by American.The American GIs troop stationed in Japan,the whole industry of japan is based on U.S's support.So when U.S forced the appreciation of yuan,we said NO.
China is world second market and soon become the biggest,we export a lot but we don't live on export.
I noticed that india's stock market multiplied , i personally suggest you control risks.The india goverment does not have a strong Macro-control like China because of your Free economy, you don't have huge funds and investment companies either.Don't performance a same drama as the southeast asia.

Rakshas · 01-02-2008, 17:39 PM

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bubble?
The southeast asia's bubble once broke,so did Japan's.
The U.S money entered in and go out when they earned enough.Southeast asia countries don't have strong captial,they can just be defeated when Soros marched.

Hello Wangrui,
With all due respect, I would suggest you read deeper into the subject of the South-East Asian bubble and the currency devaluation of circa 1997. The crises wasn't due to Soros' marching, but a whole lot of other factors. Soros ,and millions of other currency traders were just one part of it.

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But china's captial is huge and strong,we have many funds with hundreds of billion yuan,Soros and many other U.S funds is not elephant here.

Again, you give Mr Soros too much regard. As great a man he is, he is not as big as you make him out to be.

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The China National Investment Company has 1.55 trillion Registered Capital and they will get more and more.

LTCM had nearly 1.5 trillion (off-balance sheet). Your point being?

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The China Petroleum has the world's biggest market vlaue,once twice of the world second Exxon Mobil.5 of the world's top ten market vlaue companies are in China.

Err...Exxon Mobil is still the largest petroleum with a market cap nearly US$362.53 Billion. Check out the Forbes list here.
The Forbes 2000 - Forbes.com

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Some west experts asserted China bubble would break in the end of 2007,but the fact is the "bubble" is still strong.

Like the reduction in the value of dollar holdings? Or the drastic fall of the Shanghai index?

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I am working in the stock market,i didn't find so-called bubble.

I am surprised that you, as a market professional, are unaware of what everyone can read so openly in the various pink pages. I am a Futures Trader, and routinely come across reports to this effect.

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Originally Posted by wangrui961

We are not japanese either,the U.S goverment forced appreciation of the yen,they must obey because their testis are seized by American.The American GIs troop stationed in Japan,the whole industry of japan is based on U.S's support.So when U.S forced the appreciation of yuan,we said NO.

I am afraid you do not understand the nuances of currency and exchange fluctuations. If the Fed was all powerful as you claim it is, we wouldn't have seen the Cable at 2.6xxx and the Euro at 1.5xxx

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China is world second market and soon become the biggest,we export a lot but we don't live on export.
I noticed that india's stock market multiplied , i personally suggest you control risks.The india goverment does not have a strong Macro-control like China because of your Free economy, you don't have huge funds and investment companies either.Don't performance a same drama as the southeast asia.

Are suggesting that we move back into a quasi-Soviet/Communist command economy?

Kind Regards,
Rakshas

wangrui961 · 01-02-2008, 20:23 PM

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Hello Wangrui,
With all due respect, I would suggest you read deeper into the subject of the South-East Asian bubble and the currency devaluation of circa 1997. The crises wasn't due to Soros' marching, but a whole lot of other factors. Soros ,and millions of other currency traders were just one part of it.

Again, you give Mr Soros too much regard. As great a man he is, he is not as big as you make him out to be.

LTCM had nearly 1.5 trillion (off-balance sheet). Your point being?

Err...Exxon Mobil is still the largest petroleum with a market cap nearly US$362.53 Billion. Check out the Forbes list here.
The Forbes 2000 - Forbes.com

Like the reduction in the value of dollar holdings? Or the drastic fall of the Shanghai index?

I am surprised that you, as a market professional, are unaware of what everyone can read so openly in the various pink pages. I am a Futures Trader, and routinely come across reports to this effect.

I am afraid you do not understand the nuances of currency and exchange fluctuations. If the Fed was all powerful as you claim it is, we wouldn't have seen the Cable at 2.6xxx and the Euro at 1.5xxx

Are suggesting that we move back into a quasi-Soviet/Communist command economy?

Kind Regards,
Rakshas

in a word ,you still use the 2006 datas
but too much changed last year.
i can't understand your oppinion, but you can go here to check which is the largest market vlaue company in the world.
NPR : PetroChina Becomes World's Biggest Company
BBC NEWS | Business | PetroChina is world's top company
Green Car Congress: PetroChina Now Worlds Largest Listed Company by Market Value
i can't undeestand why you are so Limited of information either.
your english is quite good ,you can search it in google too,weather china is a bubble ,let's wait and see.2009 will come ,our viewpoints will be Verificatied then.
you are so pride of your so called Elite Education,so do elites like this?
today is 21th centry,not 19th or 20th, a year is too long, we can do many in a year.
you should have more informations of china,give you some information,you can give your viewpoints affter you read them.

if i say india is far behind china and will not catch up with china ,you won't believe ,because your education lied to you.
Chinese city
Chinese city, surprised!!!! - SkyscraperCity

Shenzhen,China - South China big city
Shenzhen,China - South China big city - SkyscraperCity

Dalian,China - North part of China port city
Dalian,China - North part of China port city - SkyscraperCity

Canton,China - Guangdong Province provincial capital
Canton,China - Guangdong Province provincial capital - SkyscraperCity

ChongQing·China(Modern big city)
ChongQing·China(Modern big city) - SkyscraperCity

Qingdao,China - Beautiful seashore city
【Qingdao,China - Beautiful seashore city】 - SkyscraperCity

many more in the website,you can check in youtube too.
you can then understand why india is far behind now.

Tronic · 01-02-2008, 20:35 PM

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if i say india is far behind china and will not catch up with china ,you won't believe ,because your education lied to you.

My friend, India is far behind China in infrastructure, we all know that. But to state that India "will not catch up with china" is being very naive. Remember, India and China were not very different in the 70s or early 80s. What China did was opened up its economy a decade before India. China's growth is no miracle which no other nation can catch up with.

wangrui961 · 01-02-2008, 20:41 PM

i can't answer some you asked because you will not understand. for a long time you accept a hypocrisy education , you believe laws that the west experts gave to you ,but chinese don't believe this. we find laws ourselves.

Mao once said "No investigation, no right to speak"
i am not a so-called experts ,but i earned a lot by my knowldge.
Southeast Asian financial crisis can't be explained isolated , my english is not good enough so that i can't give my whole viewpoints.
DengXiaoPing also had a farmous word:"Regardless of white or black cat, which seize the mice is a good cat."
we can wait for years and you we all will see which is a good cat.but untill now,china is a good cat.

wangrui961 · 01-02-2008, 20:49 PM

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My friend, India is far behind China in infrastructure, we all know that. But to state that India "will not catch up with china" is being very naive. Remember, India and China were not very different in the 70s or early 80s. What China did was opened up its economy a decade before India. China's growth is no miracle which no other nation can catch up with.

sorry Tronic,i got angry and lost demeanor.(maybe never had )
i don't want to start debates between india and china,but i was really angried by professional knowledge attacked.
some words like " read deep" really hurted me.

Tronic · 01-02-2008, 21:28 PM

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sorry Tronic,i got angry and lost demeanor.(maybe never had )
i don't want to start debates between india and china,but i was really angried by professional knowledge attacked.
some words like " read deep" really hurted me.

Its alright.

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i can't answer some you asked because you will not understand. for a long time you accept a hypocrisy education , you believe laws that the west experts gave to you ,but chinese don't believe this. we find laws ourselves.

I would beg to differ. Knowledge is universal, in which both ancient India and ancient China have played a good role in. It would be naive to think that PRC re-invents the wheel at every step.

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DengXiaoPing also had a farmous word:"Regardless of white or black cat, which seize the mice is a good cat."
we can wait for years and you we all will see which is a good cat.but untill now,china is a good cat.

Again, China has its advantages but it does not mean China is ahead of India in every field. Remember, India is putting up growth figures of upto 8% to 9% per year, just a few points below China, but with only half of what China invests in its industry. China's growth is fuelled by massive pooling of its capital and resources, whereelse Indian growth is more dependent on capital efficiency. Secondly, lets talk innovation. Indian business environment nurtures innovation which has sprang up global corporations like Ranbaxy, Infosys, Wipro, Tata, Bajaj, Mahindra, the list goes on. Remember, Chinese growth is based on the manufacturing sector whereelse Indian growth is based on aggresive Indian entrepreneurs and innovation; which has more staying power, you can decide. And then, the authorotarian rule may seem attractive where the government can bulldoze homes and sieze farmer's land to build more factories, but it has led to huge social unrest, as much as the Chinese government may try to hide this fact, the estimated 10,000 protest demonstrations last year alone lie witness to the fact. And then the one child policy itself in the long run becomes a disadvantage as China will have more seniors to support with less young people in the workforce. And then, Indian democracy may be very cumbersome, but it stable and transparent with a well established judiciary, which itself assures a much safer environment for investors.

wangrui961 · 01-02-2008, 21:35 PM

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Its alright.

I would beg to differ. Knowledge is universal, in which both ancient India and ancient China have played a good role in. It would be naive to think that PRC re-invents the wheel at every step.

Again, China has its advantages but it does not mean China is ahead of India in every field. Remember, India is putting up growth figures of upto 8% to 9% per year, just a few points below China, but with only half of what China invests in its industry. China's growth is fuelled by massive pooling of its capital and resources, whereelse Indian growth is more dependent on capital efficiency. Secondly, lets talk innovation. Indian business environment nurtures innovation which has sprang up global corporations like Ranbaxy, Infosys, Wipro, Tata, Bajaj, Mahindra, the list goes on. Remember, Chinese growth is based on the manufacturing sector whereelse Indian growth is based on aggresive Indian entrepreneurs and innovation; which has more staying power, you can decide. And then, the authorotarian rule may seem attractive where the government can bulldoze homes and sieze farmer's land to build more factories, but it has led to huge social unrest, as much as the Chinese government may try to hide this fact, the estimated 10,000 protest demonstrations last year alone lie witness to the fact. And then the one child policy itself in the long run becomes a disadvantage as China will have more seniors to support with less young people in the workforce. And then, Indian democracy may be very cumbersome, but it stable and transparent with a well established judiciary, which itself assures a much safer environment for investors.

i agree that india is growing fast and has it's advantages.
but "I personally believe",China's mode is more effective.

**Officer of Engineers** · 01-02-2008, 21:57 PM

Tronic,

I am not challenging your post but to point out a Canadian DND axiom - the quickest way of finding out of what does work is to find out what does not work. You're pointing out Chinese mistakes. Do you not think that they will learn from them?

By the same token, you're pointing out Indian successes. Do you think their mistakes are any less dramatic as the Chinese?

Tronic · 01-02-2008, 22:11 PM

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Tronic,

I am not challenging your post but to point out a Canadian DND axiom - the quickest way of finding out of what does work is to find out what does not work. You're pointing out Chinese mistakes. Do you not think that they will learn from them?

By the same token, you're pointing out Indian successes. Do you think their mistakes are any less dramatic as the Chinese?

Sir, we know and very well realize our shortcomings; it was not an Indian poster who posted pictures of skyscrapers as proof China was far ahead of India. My post was in response to his.

ps: The Indian government in West Bengal is a communist one and they tried to follow the same Chinese module of stealing farmer's land to make way for "special economic zones", etc. You can see the backlash that it brought fourth in the "Massacre in Nandigram" thread in the South Asian section.

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Tronic Navajo Code Talker *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 12-27-04 Location: Patiala, India Posts: 5,245 Country:	And add lack of transparency with that and you get resentment, since no one can figure out true intentions. __________________ *Nabha Sparasham Deeptam* *-Touch The Sky With Glory*

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Rakshas New Member Join Date: 12-29-07 Location: London Posts: 10 Country:	I believe that a lot of the 'fear' about China can be attributed to 'asymmetric information'. There is a huge information asymmetry when it comes to China - right from the size of the army, to the development of military capabilities and intentions. China is developing at a fast pace, and is a regional power - in terms of economic and military might - no doubt, but it is also a fast developing bubble.

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wangrui961 Patron Join Date: 09-19-06 Posts: 297 Country:	i can't answer some you asked because you will not understand. for a long time you accept a hypocrisy education , you believe laws that the west experts gave to you ,but chinese don't believe this. we find laws ourselves. Mao once said "No investigation, no right to speak" i am not a so-called experts ,but i earned a lot by my knowldge. Southeast Asian financial crisis can't be explained isolated , my english is not good enough so that i can't give my whole viewpoints. DengXiaoPing also had a farmous word:"Regardless of white or black cat, which seize the mice is a good cat." we can wait for years and you we all will see which is a good cat.but untill now,china is a good cat.

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