China vs Taiwan - Page 4

beantown05 · 03-17-2005, 23:38 PM

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Originally Posted by AAA

Uhhhh!
Will main land China attack Taiwan?
The answer is so simple definitely NOT!
Main land'll absorb gradually this island by using economic power.
It's not in Cold War, so no one in Beijing or Washington are dare to make a bet with lives........
Instead of that they will compete in economic arena, according to geographical position, the winner'll be China.

Why don't we think these points....?

1. China gets strong support from Asia except Japan

2. China, Russia and India are having no doubt about their rights on Taiwan, Kashmir and Chechnya. According to their approach, it is so obvious that they are in trilateral understanding in separate issues. Awaiting the first trilateral summit in Vladivostok will proved this point.

3. Japan are trying to make counter balance with China and India, but its emergence as military power is very uneasy in Asia countries because of the following points.
a. Japan committed the inhumane crimes in WWII, expressed this point not
because of anathema to Japan but because of just presenting the mental situation
of Asian.
b. Dating back to recent territorial disputes with South Korea, China and Russia.
Japan is not in position to compete with China.
c. But there is another group which Japan can rely on. It is Asean. But members of
Asean are not harmonious with Japanese position. Most of the members are
scratchy with Japanese military expansions like recent deployments.

4. By concluding these points Japan cannot intervene in Taiwanese affair. Because itself is somehow unpopular in Asia.

5. Asean, a group of Brunei Darussalam, Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia
Myanmar, Philippines, Singapore, Thailand, and Vietnam, strongly inclines to China position. Asean is one of the few groups which can feel the gravity of China and India in Asia. So, it's so clear that Asean is totally on the side of China not in the opposite side.

5. In conclusion, Taiwanese affair will happen in Asia, so the positions of Asian contries will announce who is the winner.

"IN TAWINENESE ISSUE AISA IS MAJOR AND OCCIDENTAL POWERS ARE JUST COUNTER"

china did not make this new law for no reason.if or when taiwan gains or pushs for more independents,china will attack, taiwan will go down in a week, then big poppa USA has to come in and liberate as always!!!

beantown05 · 03-17-2005, 23:42 PM

if china keeps pulling al this ********, taiwan should gain ind. im telling tou with 5 years this will happen. war!

EPA · 03-18-2005, 00:05 AM

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Originally Posted by beantown05

china did not make this new law for no reason.if or when taiwan gains or pushs for more independents,china will attack, taiwan will go down in a week, then big poppa USA has to come in and liberate as always!!!

The US might see some hard reesistance from China but nothing we haven't dealed with before. 1942-1945 i am sure the Chinese probubly did'nt moderize lol. WWJD what whould Japan do just get some pointers from them.

Alastair · 03-19-2005, 07:20 AM

As a chinese i bet that won't be any war happened in Taiwan strait,although the situation are getting worse now........lOl

FlyingCaddy · 03-25-2005, 03:49 AM

Wow, what do they put in your water. Granted I agree the probability of a hot war is slim. But China cannot think becasue they produce alot fo the worlds goods they are powerful, not when most of the factories are not owned by Chinese or jointed owned with foreigners. IF the People's Republic of China starts to play games with the Republic of China, RoC business will simply abandon thier factories and tell me Mr. Mainland, who who oh dear who will pay those laborers.

If the PRC wants genuine unification, that is no competing claims to who is the true soverign of China, they must negotiate with the RoC in such a way that the RoC gets broad based autonomy and protections. In exchange the RoC extinguishes all legal claims as the true soverign of China.

Selecao · 04-14-2005, 15:31 PM

I will pray for Taiwan soldiers and the World is this happens .

uscfan951 · 09-09-2006, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Tronic

China wouldn't really want a war with the U.S. and vis-versa. Although if tensions do get high, China can easily damage the U.S. economy by cutting all trade to the U.S., being U.S.'s second largest trading partner after Canada.

The US will do more harm to china if we stop the trading. Thousands of chinese people will lose there jobs from American companies stationed in China. The chinese government will go poor.

Canmoore · 09-09-2006, 17:42 PM

correct me if i am wrong please

But isn the Chinese economy based on cheap manufacturing and textile jobs, stolen from western countries?

So if China cuts off trade, those jobs would just go to the next lowest bidder would they not? perhaps India?

or perhaps Western companies would bite the bullet and bring those jobs back to the west, crippling China's economy?

im not an economist so i am not 100%, just a thought is all.

**astralis** · 09-10-2006, 15:13 PM

canmoore,

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correct me if i am wrong please

But isn the Chinese economy based on cheap manufacturing and textile jobs, stolen from western countries?

well, any serious economist will laugh if you talk about "stealing" jobs. how many taiwanese computer programmers and bioengineers have we "stolen" from taiwan?

regarding your view of the chinese economy, it's about 10-15 years outdated. the chinese have been making slow but steady inroads into the information economy and high-skill level manufacturing.

gunnut · 09-11-2006, 13:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Canmoore

correct me if i am wrong please

But isn the Chinese economy based on cheap manufacturing and textile jobs, stolen from western countries?

Not so much "stolen" but more like the west priced themselves out of competition.

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Originally Posted by Canmoore

So if China cuts off trade, those jobs would just go to the next lowest bidder would they not? perhaps India?

Actually Southeast Asia, Indonesia, and Malaysia. The cheap manufacturing jobs are already moved there. China is now a leading manufacturer of electronics, much like what Taiwan and Korea were doing in the 70s and 80s. Eventually, China will be too expensive and this type of work moved to Vietnam, Thailand, Cambodia, Malaysia, and Indonesia. The stuff they do now will probably moved to Bangledesh and maybe Africa.

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Originally Posted by Canmoore

or perhaps Western companies would bite the bullet and bring those jobs back to the west, crippling China's economy?

Impossible on a large scale. Companies would lose money and cease operation.

Canmoore · 09-11-2006, 14:02 PM

ahh thanks guys

I have another question, something that i have always thought, as China's economy grows and better high tech jobs are landed, the chinese would demand higher wages and a better standard of living. China being a communist regime, would not allow a free market society, and would try to squash the middle class. This would cause a large uprise in China's emerging middle class, perhaps large enough to attempt to overthrow the communist government.

Is this possible?

**astralis** · 09-11-2006, 16:16 PM

canmoore,

Quote:

ahh thanks guys

I have another question, something that i have always thought, as China's economy grows and better high tech jobs are landed, the chinese would demand higher wages and a better standard of living. China being a communist regime, would not allow a free market society, and would try to squash the middle class. This would cause a large uprise in China's emerging middle class, perhaps large enough to attempt to overthrow the communist government.

Is this possible?

the reason why the chinese economy is growing so fast is BECAUSE it allows for a free market society. far from trying to crush the middle class, the CCP is busy embracing it, even to the point where capitalists are whole-heartedly welcomed into the CCP. (mao and lenin must be turning over like a spinning basketball in their graves.)

the CCP has given greater civil freedoms and almost untrammeled market freedoms, while giving little to political freedom. this will become a problem when the middle class grows and starts demanding political power, but there are indications that the CCP has very slowly put into motion a system that can work with this desire. (they're looking at singaporean-style democracy far down the line. very far.)

right now, the middle-class doesn't mind the CCP, and actually likes it, to some degree. it keeps the boat from rocking while they make money. and the CCP at least makes noises about stopping what the middle-class truly hates, the ubiquitous corrupt local bureaucrat.

gunnut · 09-11-2006, 16:32 PM

Chinese have learned a great deal from Russia and Germany. Those 2 nations changed too quickly overnight, from centralized economy to a free market economy. CCP allowed market reforms in limited areas and very slowly eased the transition in the more populated coastal areas. This transition will slowly work its way into the interior of the nation.

Too much change too quickly will send any system into shock. Chinese have done a remarkable job at managing an economy in transition.

Canmoore · 09-11-2006, 21:08 PM

makes sence..

so basically you guys dont see an end to Chinese Communism in sight at all? Or do you see a possibility of Chinese Communism slowly eroding away in favour of the all might buck?

gunnut · 09-12-2006, 13:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Canmoore

makes sence..

so basically you guys dont see an end to Chinese Communism in sight at all? Or do you see a possibility of Chinese Communism slowly eroding away in favour of the all might buck?

I see the ChiComs relinquish their hold slowly but surely. After enough time, they will allow opposition parties to form and compete with them for power. They will become just another major political party in China. And of course, the all mighty buck will drive this reform.

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03-17-2005, 23:42 PM	#47 (permalink)
beantown05 New Member Join Date: 03-16-05 Location: bean town Posts: 8	if china keeps pulling al this ********, taiwan should gain ind. im telling tou with 5 years this will happen. war!

03-19-2005, 07:20 AM	#49 (permalink)
Alastair Regular Join Date: 03-19-05 Location: China Posts: 31	As a chinese i bet that won't be any war happened in Taiwan strait,although the situation are getting worse now........lOl

03-25-2005, 03:49 AM	#50 (permalink)
FlyingCaddy Patron Join Date: 02-13-05 Posts: 247	Wow, what do they put in your water. Granted I agree the probability of a hot war is slim. But China cannot think becasue they produce alot fo the worlds goods they are powerful, not when most of the factories are not owned by Chinese or jointed owned with foreigners. IF the People's Republic of China starts to play games with the Republic of China, RoC business will simply abandon thier factories and tell me Mr. Mainland, who who oh dear who will pay those laborers. If the PRC wants genuine unification, that is no competing claims to who is the true soverign of China, they must negotiate with the RoC in such a way that the RoC gets broad based autonomy and protections. In exchange the RoC extinguishes all legal claims as the true soverign of China.

04-14-2005, 15:31 PM	#51 (permalink)
Selecao New Member Join Date: 04-11-05 Posts: 19	I will pray for Taiwan soldiers and the World is this happens .

09-09-2006, 17:42 PM	#53 (permalink)
Canmoore *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 05-18-06 Location: Canada Posts: 1,331 Country:	correct me if i am wrong please But isn the Chinese economy based on cheap manufacturing and textile jobs, stolen from western countries? So if China cuts off trade, those jobs would just go to the next lowest bidder would they not? perhaps India? or perhaps Western companies would bite the bullet and bring those jobs back to the west, crippling China's economy? im not an economist so i am not 100%, just a thought is all.

09-11-2006, 14:02 PM	#56 (permalink)
Canmoore *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 05-18-06 Location: Canada Posts: 1,331 Country:	ahh thanks guys I have another question, something that i have always thought, as China's economy grows and better high tech jobs are landed, the chinese would demand higher wages and a better standard of living. China being a communist regime, would not allow a free market society, and would try to squash the middle class. This would cause a large uprise in China's emerging middle class, perhaps large enough to attempt to overthrow the communist government. Is this possible?

09-11-2006, 16:32 PM	#58 (permalink)
gunnut *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 01-27-06 Location: DPRK, Democratik People's Republik of Kalifornia Posts: 9,378 Country:	Chinese have learned a great deal from Russia and Germany. Those 2 nations changed too quickly overnight, from centralized economy to a free market economy. CCP allowed market reforms in limited areas and very slowly eased the transition in the more populated coastal areas. This transition will slowly work its way into the interior of the nation. Too much change too quickly will send any system into shock. Chinese have done a remarkable job at managing an economy in transition.

09-11-2006, 21:08 PM	#59 (permalink)
Canmoore *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 05-18-06 Location: Canada Posts: 1,331 Country:	makes sence.. so basically you guys dont see an end to Chinese Communism in sight at all? Or do you see a possibility of Chinese Communism slowly eroding away in favour of the all might buck?

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