Officer of Engineers

Hey, dumbass! The US shut off China before. Hello! Tien A Men!

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Tronic

HAHA, BACK THEN CHINESE TRADE WASN'T EVEN THAT STRONG. CHINESE TRADE HAS GROWN DRAMATICALLY SINCE. BACK THEN CHINA'S TRADE WITH AMERICA HARDLY MADE UP 1% OF AMERICA'S TRADE.

You know nothing, Sep 11. gave the American economy a "big" jolt and you think loosing 15% of trade wouldn't. sheesh!!! I MEAN IMAGINE 15% OF TRADE GONE!!! When America banned Canadian beef, which wasn't even 15% of the trade, the Canadian economy was bashed good for a month and a two. So use your brain before coming up with your remarkable remarks, smart ass.

Officer of Engineers

Yes, do tell. Oh, my god! You're an amateur, aren't you. Let's see. The Americans closed off all borders as a result of 11 Sept. Their economies dropped big time, far bigger than losing China's trade ... and the US's economy ... still remain the biggest? Did the US crash?

Do you actually think the US is scare of of China's threats of cutting off trades?

Oh, please, ladies and gentlemen, we have just robbed another village of its idiot.

Tronic

lol... when an economy "crashes", it doesn't mean your economy becomes the weakest in the world.

And stay on topic, in every friggin thread you start a stupid argument and create a whole new topic!!!

your retired from the military??? lol you can't even stay focused on one topic. How the hell did you carry out your missions???

aussie

.In the overall scheme of things, the Americans would barely notice China stop trading.

Top Ten Countries with which the U.S. Trades
For the month of October 2004
The values given are for Imports and Exports added together.
These Countries represent 68.29% of U.S. Imports, and 65.49% of U.S. Exports in goods.

Year To Date
Total in Total in
Billions Billions
Country Name of U.S. $ of U.S. $

Canada 39.76 368.72
Mexico 24.65 220.89
China 22.66 188.06
Japan 16.41 152.43
Federal Republic of Germany 10.01 89.51
United Kingdom 7.10 67.69
Korea, South 6.20 59.98
France 5.20 43.16
Taiwan 4.98 46.38
Malaysia 3.58 32.24

Officer of engineers with China being the third largest trading partner with the United States it will be very noticable on the American economy. The economy of USA will be greatly affected. Also no one mentioned anything about bankruptcy. It will have a great affect and therefore the USA will definetely be worse off...

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Officer of Engineers

That's open to debate. 11 Sept hurt the US economy far worst than anything the Chinese could do economically ... and the Americans did fine. In fact, they still got their MacDonalds and their TVs. If you think no one else would pick up the slack or that Chinese goods won't somehow reach American shores, you got some serious reading to do. The Chinese threat of cutting off trade ain't a good one ... and one the Chinese won't use themselves. They need the Americans far more than the Americans need the Chinese.

You two cannot understand English nor the concept of trade. Look closer at the trade balance. The US buys a hell of alot more from China than China buys from the US. If China cuts off trade, the Americans would just buy from somewhere else, very possibly the same Chinese goods from a 3rd party. The US ain't going to hurt any. Not by a long shot. Is there anything vital the US buying from China? Unlike Canadian electricity and Mexican oil, the US can get by without buying the new TV sets from China. They'll buy them from South Korea.

So, the US would barely noticed China stop trading. You two amateurs know squat and it shows. Big time.

Tronic

Oh god... JUST BECAUSE A COUNTIES ECONOMY GOES DOWN, DOESN'T MEAN PEOPLE LOOSE THEIR TV'S AND BURGERS. *sigh* I never said China wouldn't hurt themselves too. Infact America is actually in a trade defecit in trades with China. But still 15% of trade DOES EFFECT THE ECONOMY!!!

...oh I forgot your the smart one... so I guess you win again.

Julie

If I may.....if trading with China was of such vital importance, the US would not have levied an import tariff on stamps from China. The US did this because of China flooding the market with cheap products, due to labor issues. Legitimate link: ttp://www.china-embassy.org/eng/zt/1/t176229.htm

The U.S. does not even recognize China as a market economy. Link: http://www.china-embassy.org/eng/zt/1/t175256.htm

US may impose quota on Chinese textile(04/07/04) The United States is on the way to impose quota limits on the exports of socks from China, seeking relief similar to what the Bush administration provided makers of three other textile products last year, China Daily said on July 3. The move could lead to new protectionism of the US textile industry, analysts say. The US textile industry petitioned the Bush administration on Monday to curb the import of socks from China, saying they are squeezed. The US move also accelerates Chinese textile exporters' concern that more counter-import measures will be targeted at China after the global multi-fibre textile quotas expire in 2005.
"For one thing, the World Trade Organization (WTO) members are allowed to impose special safeguard measures on Chinese textile exports until 2008, as a condition of China's WTO entry in 2001," Fan said, "Safeguard measures will continue to be slapped on the Chinese exporters." And technical barriers will also increase even after the quota restriction is phased out, she added.

http://www.china-embassy.org/eng/zt/1/t141974.htm


According to Chinese customs statistics, the bilateral trade volumes reached US$49.42 billion. China has a trade surplus of US$18.03 billion, a rise of 28.3 per cent over the same period of last year. Despite the improving atmosphere between China and the United States, Fu said the two countries cannot avoid quarrelling on trade issues because China would unavoidably create greater trade surplus against the United States in the long-run.

"The US side will not grant the market economy status to China easily. China's non-market economy status remains a major excuse for the US to impose anti-dumping tariffs against Chinese goods threatening US jobs rapidly,?Fu said.

Without market economy status, Chinese firms will find it hard to defend themselves when they are accused of dumping goods to the US market, because costs of Chinese products are not considered during the ruling process.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english...ent_345224.htm

Amled

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=7165570

Slip of the tongue, or just stating the facts?
After all there is no getting away from the that Taiwan is a major stumbling block in US-Sino relations. But the statement itself doesn't have to mean that the US is changing its policy regarding coming to the defence of Taiwan.

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tarek

I would encourage readers to travel to China and Taiwan and see for themselves -- If you travel within china by air, you will be suprised by numbers of Aamerican and European businessmen on those flights.

In Taiwan, you may be suprised by the number of Taiwanese who now own property in China, primarily Shanghai.

Taiwan a hurdle in US-Sino relations? No, it's the ambitions of certain politicians in Taiwan that are a hurdle - The most recent election in taiwan is perhaps a reflection of the fact that conflict need not characterize the entirety of the relationship - there is just too much at stake, for China, for US and for the Taiwanese, who are ultimately Chinese and who are connected by heritage, kinship and now economic interest.

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Officer of Engineers

The simple fact is that the Taiwanese view that the future of Taiwan is their decision, not the Mainland Chinese.

Amled

Tarek - I beg to differ when you postulate:
While it is true that there are Taiwanese politicians who hope for and are working actively for full independence for their nation and people, the greatest hurdle to US-Sino relations must be the intransigence of the hardliners in Beijing. Hardliners with their never-ending claim that Taiwan is an integral part of China, and therefore must be returned to its sovereignty. This with or without the consent of the people of Taiwan.
OoE said it quite succinctly:
When you point out that many Europeans and Americans; and yes, Taiwanese are doing business in Mainland China, I for one would not be the least surprised, because it is just that – business! With the boom in economy that is occurring there, the surprise would be if they weren’t there to take advantage of making money.
Tarek, you have said before you are a betting man, well I’ll make you a bet that those Taiwanese you said have bought property on Mainland China have one and all retained their Taiwanese citizenship. That it is simply a matter of expediency; and maybe real estate investments, to own property, and not a sign of confidence in re-unification.
As for:
There are two grave omissions here, namely politics and culture! Taiwan has evolved into an open democratic society, while Mainland China is still; in spite of its experiment with a free market economy, an iron fisted Communist dictatorship. So, heritage, kinship and now economic interest aside, conflict if not inevitable will; equally inevitable, constantly be looming on the horizon.

keshto patel

Its not china the second largest, its mexico.

ajaybhutani

i think by blocking trade with US china will suffer more than US for US economy is bigger . Other countries will be ready to sell to Us though at a higher prices. But chineese products . They wont find a compensating market. This act will in fact kill chineese industry rahter than US.

keshto patel

100 percent right.