China vis-à-vis Taiwan - Page 3

wp2000 · 10-23-2007, 23:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

I don't think the DDP is bluffing. They know the Americans will come in even if they are the ones who provoked it.

Well,it seems that DPP just want to fight to the last US soldier.

Although they have been so up beat about independance, once they are in the government, they cut the defense budget in the first 4 years, then suddenly put a huge military purchase plan to the opposition party, which in my view is designed to be boycotted by the opposition so that they can play the blame game again.

That's why I say they are bluffing.

If they are half serious about independance, they should quadriple the defense budget and do whatever it takes to strengthen Taiwan's fighting capability down to every man and boy.

But they did nothing other than BSing with the oppostion party. Not only they want US to fight for their independance, it seems that they don't even want to pay for it.

That's why I think it's so funny.

**Officer of Engineers** · 10-23-2007, 23:46 PM

Then why the UN seat drive? Why draw an angry response not only from Beijing but from Washington?

Adux · 10-23-2007, 23:52 PM

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Originally Posted by gunnut

Is Taiwan really a nation? Tibet, and Vietnam were more or less buffer zones for China, and have always been under the influence. India is a totally seperate culture(s) and a totally seperate people(s). China has never claimed India. Taiwan is a different issue. Most of the people in Taiwan are from China, or descendents of people who came from China. Chinese culture runs deep there. China, both under the Nationalist government and the CCP government, claim Taiwan as a part of China. Only the Taiwan independence movement want Taiwan to be seperate.

If you restrict the geographical area to Taiwan only, then you can say more people want Taiwan to be independent. But if you include China, then more people want Taiwan to stay with China. I'm all for democracy but where do we draw the line?

There is a saying that India influenced China profoundly, without even sending a soldier across its border.

gunnut · 10-24-2007, 00:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Feanor

Also is the Chinese navy capable of blockading Taiwan?

And what if the USN is escorting a convoy of supplies to Taiwan?

If there are only 2 countries in this fight, China may be able to blockade Taiwan. At least engage in a war of attrition. However, the world relies on China's cheap manufacturing capacity and Taiwan's high tech industry. The world will not sit by when China attacks Taiwan.

gunnut · 10-24-2007, 00:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Adux

There is a saying that India influenced China profoundly, without even sending a soldier across its border.

Oh of course. Buddhism came from India. India has a profound influence on China. But China has never claimed India as a part of China. It has over Tibet, Mongolia, and certainly Taiwan.

Feanor · 10-24-2007, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

What's the point? The RoCAF can more than hold off the PLAAF while maintaining life as usual on the island.

The point would be to make the RoCAF take casualties, hoping that they'll run out of aircraft first.

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Only if no one was willing to run the blockade ... and you can bet the RoCN is more than willing to go sub hunting.

So realistically the anwser is no. Would Taiwan be able to purchase additional aircraft abroad fast enough to use them in the even of a Chinese attack?

gunnut · 10-24-2007, 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Feanor

The point would be to make the RoCAF take casualties, hoping that they'll run out of aircraft first.

So realistically the anwser is no. Would Taiwan be able to purchase additional aircraft abroad fast enough to use them in the even of a Chinese attack?

Well, the US can always transfer a few dozen F-16s from current active fleet, maybe a war time lease. And then activate a few dozen from mothball to take their places in the inventory. We have thousands of F-16s in mothball.

**Ironduke** · 10-24-2007, 05:23 AM

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I think China will win the war, because Taiwan is an inalienable part of China...

That's not a reason. You could call it a motivation.

**Ironduke** · 10-24-2007, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by gunnut

Well, the US can always transfer a few dozen F-16s from current active fleet, maybe a war time lease. And then activate a few dozen from mothball to take their places in the inventory. We have thousands of F-16s in mothball.

The US probably has more mothballed military equipment that the rest of the entire world has in service.

HKDan · 10-24-2007, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by gunnut

And what if the USN is escorting a convoy of supplies to Taiwan?

If there are only 2 countries in this fight, China may be able to blockade Taiwan. At least engage in a war of attrition. However, the world relies on China's cheap manufacturing capacity and Taiwan's high tech industry. The world will not sit by when China attacks Taiwan.

I even question whether China could effectively put a naval blockade on Taiwan. The Taiwanese Navy is more than capable of coming out and giving the Chinese a fight. The Taiwanese have a very real weakness in submarines, but their surface fleet is not inferior to what the PLAN could put together for a blockade. I suspect that the Taiwanese are probably better trained too.

Feanor · 10-24-2007, 06:09 AM

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That's not a reason. You could call it a motivation.

No. You don't get it. It was semantics

Since both sides ARE China . . . . . . China wins.

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The US probably has more mothballed military equipment that the rest of the entire world has in service.

Really? More then the old Soviet arsenals?

wp2000 · 10-24-2007, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

Then why the UN seat drive? Why draw an angry response not only from Beijing but from Washington?

No matter what reason is behind all these moves, don't you agree it's funny?

VarSity · 10-24-2007, 08:51 AM

Isnt Taiwan a very mountainous place (especially the West coast)? Would this not prove the be a great advantage to the defenders?

**Officer of Engineers** · 10-24-2007, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Feanor

The point would be to make the RoCAF take casualties, hoping that they'll run out of aircraft first.

And that will only work if the PLAAF and the PLANAF sends out their best and they will lose their equal share of their best which leaves a whole bunch of jalopies that have not even left the sight of land.

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Originally Posted by Feanor

So realistically the anwser is no. Would Taiwan be able to purchase additional aircraft abroad fast enough to use them in the even of a Chinese attack?

Possibly not but then, the Mainland Chinese would also have nothing to fly over the skies of Taiwan.

**Officer of Engineers** · 10-24-2007, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by VarSity

Isnt Taiwan a very mountainous place (especially the West coast)? Would this not prove the be a great advantage to the defenders?

Taiwan is divided into 3 Areas stretching from North to South. If you have seen what they've done to the beaches, D-Day was a cake walk in comparison.

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