HistoricalDavid

You'll find plenty of pro-immigration people in Western countries at least.

"No true scotsman..."

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Feanor

So while the RoCA has a better situation, their officer corps are generally less competent. Ok thank you.

ozjohn39

It seems to this armchair general, that 'all' Taiwan has to do is acquire (LOTS of, 300+) the BEST possible anti-air and anti-ship missiles available.

Match these with the BEST radars and other sensors available on the Pescadores and Quemoy etc, and then remain forever vigilent.

Given that, the million men will not be swimming, they will be floating, face down.

John

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Officer of Engineers

You mean like the Hurons, the Iroquois, the Blackfoot, the Crow, the Navajo, the MicMac. I'm sure you get the point here.

There is a massive self-denial by Tibetans on both sides of the border. It was not the Tibetans who turned, it was 1st the fault of the Red Guards, some of whom happened to be Tibetans. Then, it was the Chinese Red Guards. Now, it's the Han Chinese Red Guards. Only those truly versed in the GPCR know it was Tibetan Red Guards. That generation is now my age and the collective memory of that shame will die with that generation.

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chankya

Actually I remember a story about that rolex being a gift from a US president. I don't remember who nor can i find a good source for it. When I do, I'll post it.

Incidentally I don't agree with your views on Tibet either, but my views are mostly based on meeting and speaking with Tibetans in India.

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troung

Case Shows Plight of Uyghurs in China

2008-01-10

Ahmet Ablikim, a 31 year old Uyghur activist, faces deportation from the Netherlands back to China in the coming days as he awaits the outcome of his final appeal under the appeals process.

Once in China, Mr Ablikum, like many of his Uyghur compatriots faces detention and possible capital punishment for his activities.

Since fleeing to the Netherlands in 2006 Mr Ablikum has been active in raising awareness for the Uyghur cause, including collaboration with the East Turkestan Foundation of the Netherlands.

Under article four of the Chinese constitution, it should be possible to protect and freely participate in events that are traditional to Uyghur culture and customs. This has never proved to be entirely the case, and in 1994 celebration of the Uyghur New Year and culture were outlawed.

Uyghurs who have protested against such infringements of cultural expression have typically found themselves detained for years on charges of ‘state security crimes’, alleged promotion of separatism, or even terrorism. A number of Uyghur organisations have been suppressed and banned by the Chinese authorities and detention of Uyghur activists is often accompanied by extensive use of torture designed to extract confessions.

As China prepares to host the 2008 Olympic Games, acts such as those perpetrated by the Chinese authorities against the Uyghur place it at odds with the key principles of Olympism. Among those principles is the understanding that “discrimination with regard to a country or a person on grounds of race, religion, politics, gender or otherwise is incompatible with belonging to the Olympic Movement”.

[Source: UNPO]

Case Shows Plight of Uyghurs in China

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Officer of Engineers

I've met Tibetans who don't believe that Tibetans got anything with the GPCR and the very fact that they have an over-representation per capita in the CCP meant nothing.

chankya

I think their point is not so much that they aren't doing well as a part of China, but that they are an independent nation. As such they'd rather the Chinese let them go their own way, for better or for worse.

It comes down to whether you think of them as a separate nation to start with. I do and therefore think that neither development nor representation(within china) are a substitute for genuine self-determination.

And I do think that left to themselves they'd probably have also transitioned to a democracy like Bhutan is doing now. That in any case is conjecture.

Officer of Engineers

Not my place to say whether they're Tibetans or Chinese. That's not part of my read as a PLA/China watcher. The Chinese position is that this is Chinese territory. The Tibetans need an army to evict the Chinese. They have none. Therefore, the Chinese are staying.

Ironduke

Ratzinger has never had a driver's license.

I think you're confusing this?
Ferrari presents Pope Benedict XVI with $1.1M check - Dec. 5, 2005

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Blademaster

What about the previous pope? IIRC, Mother Theresa came to Rome and begged for more money from the Pope and pointed out that the Pope surely doesn't need one of those fancy cars he had and the Pope, being shamed, agreed to sell the car to raise proceeds for Mother Theresa's organization.

Zeng

Ray Sir,

Yes, Tibetan religion beliefs did kill people (mostly Tibetans) for total obedience.

Based on the Tibetan tradition, the inauguration rituals of Dai Lama and important Tibetan religion rituals include sacrificing young Tibetan males and taking virginity of young Tibetan girls.

References:
Geduen Choepel: Tibetan Arts of Love, Ithaca 1992
Alex Wayman: The Buddhist Tantras, New York 1973
Bhattacharyya: History of the Tantric religion, Manohar 1982

The details of the inauguration rituals of the 14th Dalai Lama (current Dalai Lama) are kept to be secret until now. We don’t know what happened then.

A British woman once became a sex girl for Tibetan Buddhist Tantras practice:

Reference:
June Campbell: Traveller in space, In search of female identity in Tibetan Buddhism, London 1996

In 1950, Tibetan top monks exercised rituals to sacrifice 18 or so young Tibetan males to pray their GOD to fight PLA. Some Tibetans in exile believe that Mao died from Dalai Lama’s religious curse.

References:
Das Buch der Freiheit, BergischGladbach, Dalai Lama XIV, 1993
The Dalai Lama: A Biography, by Claude B. Levenson and Stephen Cox, 2004

IIRC, in 1930 or 1940s, there was a Tibetan who came back Tibet from England becoming the Tibetan army chief. He started some modernization reform in Tibet and made the Tibetan monks angry. His punishment was being put into jial with both of his eyes were taken out. You can imagine what a brutal system Tibet had at that time.

Even the monk who personally found the 14th Dalai Lama was brutally tortured to death in Potala palace when this Dalai Lama was still a very young living god.

Potala palace: Potala Palace - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You may know that the title of Dalai Lama and Panchen Lama were granted by Chinese central governments from Yuan, Ming and Qing dynasties.

Qing imperial government even sent imperial residents “Amban” in Tibet since 1727.

Amban - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Quote from the above wiki link: Qing and Tibet had a 29 item agreement to define the authority of the Amban. Basically, Amban was granted all the power for the temporal matters and the Dalai Lama, Panchen Lama and other lamas were granted the power of spiritual matters.

After British invasion of Tibet in 1904, it was China (Qing) that paid money to British to let them leave the Tibet.

You wouldn’t read these things in the website supported by Dalai Lama. If Dalai Lama is an honest living god as he or his supporters claimed, he should put these things on his website too.

Please read the “white paper” published by the Tibetan government in exile and check their attitude toward modernization. They are against almost all the modernization in Tibet even Today.

I only put references from westerner here and you can find them in Amazon.com.

I acknowledge that Tibet got self-administrated from 1911 to 1950.

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trong,

Approximately two dozen Uyghur people were captured by US army in Afghanistan and imprisoned in Guantanamo for years. Later, 5 of them were released to Albania without charging with any crimes. What is your opinion about it?

East Turkestan Islamic Movement is a terrorist organization of very small number of Uyghur people. They kill innocent people mostly Uyghurs.

East Turkestan Islamic Movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also, the great Tibet (around 1/5 of China) claimed by Dalai Lama and the East Turkestan (around 1/6 or 1/7 of China) claimed by some Uyghur terrorist groups are overlapped with each other. So, they will fight with each other for supposedly “their lands”. Historically, there were brutal bloody wars between Tibetans and Uyghurs.

wangrui961

Hi,jintao hu
would u please stop using our prisdent's name?

beansprout

IMO, i reckon Taiwan should be apart of Peoples republic of China. Has everyone almost forgotten that Taiwan was once separated for a short period of time between the Qing and Ming after the collapse of the Ming dynasty on the mainland? During the reign of emperor Kang Hsi, he used force against Taiwan to reunify with the mainland 1684. it may have seems that:

Qing = Current PRC
Ming = Current KMT

Surely, no one at that time seem to condemn The Qings actions (ofcourse barely anyone in western countries knew what had happen), but these days, foriegn nations always love abusing and making PRC look weak and useless.