Dreadnought

A few simple reasons: Illegal immigration
DRUGS DRUGS DRUGS
corrupt law enforcment.

If you take note of how many things happen in Mexico to tourists and certainly not just American tourists.

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Feanor

Because first off they're not usually actually pursuing a very democratic course. For example in the Baltics Russians (even ones that were born there and lived there their entire lives) aren't allowed to vote. Their official status is ''non-citizen''. In Georgia we have a president that came to power as a result of the rose revolution, rather then a democratic process. And the fact that two provinces, S. Ossetia and Abkhazia, have achieved de-facto independence and are begging to be integrated into Russia (they've petitioned the Duma about it) doesn't make him look so good either. Ukraine is split down the middle between Ukrainian nationalists and Russians. Realistically the country could very well face a secessionist crisis, especially in Crimea. Belorus is pretty much a dictatorship. As for Central Asia, well lest just say not all is well in the -stans.

Dreadnought

You'll have to forgive me Feanor but Im quite surprised at reading they are not allowed to vote. Its their god given rights to elect officials that would serve the people and make their lives better instead of just taking their money in taxes etc. I'm of the standing that if I was told I couldnt vote in leaders that would seal it for me.Im outta there and they can keep it. Too many hidden agendas it sounds like are robbing the people of what belongs to them. Perhaps this is why our people look at one another so awkwardly when comparing countries. Democracy for us is the only way of life for me.

smilingassassin

Um, I suppose you missed the endless threats that Iran has made against Isreal, that and the fact they are attempting to aquire nukes? Bush has made it clear he veiws Iran with nukes as counterproductive to peace in the ME. He hasn't called for the distruction of Iran, so your accusation of Bush threatening Iran with war is just simply false. He didn't just one day say I'll attack Iran, it has escalated to that point that hes insinuated that may happen due to Irans refusal to desist from seeking nukes, threatening their neighbours and destabilizing Iraq.

So were Hitlers speaches prior to WW2, do we really need to spell it out for you?

..oh great, another Bush hater who can't look at the ENTIRE cast of charactors responcible for the war. Of couse I'm sure you'd blame FDR for the debacle at the Battle of the Buldge.

Same old argument, same lodgical answer, how many nations have Isreal threatened with anialation? How many times have they used Nukes? we are not talking about racism here Adux, we are talking about already unstable, unreasonable nations seeking nukes, NUKES. Untill I see the Israeli Prime minister calling for the distruction of Iran/Syria and Palestine I will see this arguement as laughable.

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Adux

USA and USSR, threaten each other on a daily basis!!!
So what?

So is Israel, according to the other players of Middle east.
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Word Game,
How United States Politics works in this day and age.
He called War on Iran.

Let Iran attack anyone, She hasnt, So I am not going to pass judgements on her. Talk, is well Just talk. USA destabilized Iraq not only Iran. I am not going to allow this stupid moral grand standing, When in geo-politics, There is no such thing.



Hitler and A-jad, on the same plate, laughable.



I dont agree with one view point, and you are on attack mode. Maybe thats why right wing camp is loosing its supporter. I support WoT and also its expansion. But I dont agree with Iraq. And I am the enemy?
Afghanistan, Syria, Pakistan and Iran. Saudi is already doing its best. That should have been WoT.
I dont hate Bush, I think he is a complete moron, who had the oppertunity to change the world, and completely squandered it for his corporate cronies. The current situation of US Economic , Political or otherwse is his fault



Just because they havent threatened anyone, doesnt mean they can have nukes. According to law, which US trying to impose on Iran, Israel also cant have'em. Simple fact. World has changed. Nobody is going take anything lying down. Change our game plan, especially since our side isnt exactly clean.

I am going just say this once, I am on your side, But that doesnt mean I have to agree with everything.

braindead

[quote=Feanor;421918]Because first off they're not usually actually pursuing a very democratic course. For example in the Baltics Russians (even ones that were born there and lived there their entire lives) aren't allowed to vote. Their official status is ''non-citizen''. QUOTE]

Feanor , please check your facts . They have every right to vote on local elections (village / city level) , but to vote on parliamentary elections they must be citizens . Do immigrants have the right to vote in Russia ? Or America ?

They can become citizens , if they are fulfilling the conditions ( Application for Estonian citizenship - Kodakondsus- ja Migratsiooniamet) . Then you can go to , i don´t know , Wiki for example and search exactly how many of ´non-citizens´ there are ?

Actually to quote est. President T.H.Ilves ´Est. and Latvia are 2 rare examples of countries where russians can live by rule of the law , in russian community , read rus. newspapers and enjoy freedom of speech´ . I´m sure that especially You could appreciate that

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Feanor

''As of 2007, there were about 393 000 non-citizens living in Latvia [1], mostly Russian-speaking.''

Wikipedia it is. Non-citizens (Latvia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

Huh, in a nation of 2.2 million, about 393 thousand are non-citizens. [sarcasm]Seems strange. If they could all easily get citizenship, I wonder why they didn't.[/sarcasm]

No seriously. I can't recall which of the Baltic republics had a neo-Nazi parade on Hitlers birthday, but really the situation is less then pleasant.

braindead

from the same article - Naturalisation
Non-citizens may naturalize provided they have legally resided in Latvia for at least 5 years, pass tests in Latvian language, history and Constitution and know the lyrics of the Latvian anthem.[8] Former members of foreign military and activists considered hostile to the Republic of Latvia, such as activist of various federalist organization of 1991, people convicted of propagating fascist or communist ideas or inciting ethnic hatred, are excluded, though. The government may refuse naturalisation also to people fulfilling all these requirements finding them illoyal (Petropavlovsky case, as of 2007 — pending before European Court of Human Rights). As of May, 2007, 124 153 people are naturalized[9], mostly non-citizens.

Ok , let´s sit down together and think about the situation .
Latvians and Estonians have such naturalization policy because of previous 50 years of serious russification . Look at the same Wiki article and read what were the historic percentage of russians .
In 1991 in Est. alone there were 30-40000 of Sov. military personel + their families and ex-military men . And military factories . And KGB personnel . And so on and so on .
When SU dissolved they wanted mostly to stay behind . A regular 5th column ? Yet nobody drove them out , they have a chance to acquire citizenship if they wish , and if they don´t they can still participate in local elections etc.

As a solution the parliaments chose to give any person who came here during Sov.era a chance to get citizenship through naturalization .
Remember that in 1990 Latvians were a tiny minority in their own land . In Est. we had a little better , about 62% of population were estonians . The numbers from 1939 were in Est. 10 perc. of russians (and half of those were from parts of Russia that were given back to Russia in 1946 , so the there were about 5% Russians of over-all population). So we chose the path that everybody wanting the citizenship will have to prove their loyalty , before getting all benefits of citizenship . If a person chooses not to go through all this , he/she can still live a happy life , only going periodicly to re-new the residence permits and can not vote on major elections . And of language issue - don´t you think that 16 years is long enough to learn any language ?

My point is - My Country Is All We Have . We Do Not Have Anything Else . We Do Not Have Any Other Country To Go To . My Tribe Has Lived Here Over 5000 Years . This Is Our Way . This Is Our Home . Behave And You´ll Be Accepted , Or Get Out .





the only parade I know of happened in my hometown 5 years ago . Featured all the skins in the city and over the country . All in all 70-100 people back then . A sick sight none the less .

Feanor

My point exactly. The borders need to be re-aligned to reflect the demographic situation.

braindead

OK , in San Jose , CA

As of the censusGR2 of 2000, there were 894,943 people, 276,598 households, and 203,576 families residing in the city. The population density was 5,117.9 people per square mile (1,976.1/km²). There were 281,841 housing units at an average density of 1,611.8 per square mile (622.3/km²). The racial makeup of the city was 47.49% White, 3.50% African American, 0.77% Native American, 26.86% Asian, 0.40% Pacific Islander, 15.94% from other races, and 5.04% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 30.17% of the population.San Jose, California - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So we should see by your logic that in San Jose big parts of the city should be run by goverment of Republic of Mexico and parts of it shoud be run by goverment of Vietnam ? Or Brighton Beach should be run according to Constitution of Russia ?

Or big parts of Russia should adopt sharia ?

Feanor

That's where it's going. East Palo Alto anyone?

At this rate it will.