Tigeranger

TaiWan is a major strategic Interestof U.S.

Taihang

You must be mad.

Tigeranger

You just don't want to hear anything that is opposite of Chinese government’s propaganda. Just be aware that this web site is full of professionals, you will need to be prepared to defend your remarks.


Now tell me what evidence(s) do you have that can prove that Taiwan is no longer a major strategic interest of U.S.

Taihang

What makes you think that Chinese government is my government? Or how did you get the impression that my comment was affected by Chinese propaganda?

IMO China is a major strategic interest of US while Taiwan only plays a tricky role in US-China relationship. China's move has an increasing economic or political impact on US interests worldwide. And Taiwan's move is, if not related to independence, hardly any concern to the US. It's clear that Taiwan has a little weight in US-China relationship. But saying it's a major US interest might be an exaggeration. Do you have any evidence indicating a strategic relationship between US and Taiwan?

Tigeranger

There is no need to become defensive so quickly. Did I ever said that your government is the Chinese government? Strangely your point is exactly what Chinese government’s propaganda machine has been spreading for the past several months. The point that the U.S. will not come to Taiwan’s aid if China attacks Taiwan.

Just take a look at Taiwan's geographic location on the first island chain.
And What is best way for U.S. to make sure that China will not any move that could hurst U.S. insterest worldwide, both economically and politically.

"Taiwan Relations Act", Weapon Sale, Troop training...

jennery587

i hate when people say that iran china russia supplie iraqy militia with weapons MD first stop watchin fox news seconde stop believe in our gov they lie about everythin everything now they want to attack iran that another excuse for them. Support our troops stop watchin fox propaganda sht

Tigeranger

What have you been smoking? Who says Iran,China and Russia has been supply WMD to iraqi terrorists?

Taihang

My words are: it's mad to say Taiwan is a major strategic interest of the US. I did not mean to offend Taiwanese or to comment on relation of China and Taiwan. Everyone can see the positions of Taiwan and the US in their relations.

If you are referring to my previous post, yes, I have doubts on US politicians. They abandoned Taiwan in the 1970s. It might happen again.

You mean that Taiwanese could physically stop China's move? Or maybe expansion of PLAN? First island theory is no longer a viable argument considering Today's technology.

Later...

gunnut

That is very impressive. You could actually make sense of what he was trying to say. I was totally confused by the lack of punctuation and poor spelling.

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gunnut

Do you know why they abandoned Taiwan?

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss this idea. Without Taiwan, China's reach into the Pacific is drastically reduced. The increasingly bluewater PLAN need to get around the island and risk being monitored when they venture out to the Pacific. PLAN aviation's range is cut short by about 150 miles into the Pacific. Taiwan offers the US a strategic choke point against PLAN.

You disagree with the Taiwan Relations Act?

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Taihang

If you have something to say just say it. They didn't do it for love of CCPs but for American strategic interests. Maybe Tiger can give you a professional opinion about it.

If you believe China has an ambition of military expansion you may have a point. But I see they are just eager to get rich. Chinese blue water navy would take 20 more years to develop and even then would not be a match to US navy power. So I say US navy does not depend on any island help to choke PLAN.

On the other hand China would not need a blue water navy to deal regional conflicts with her neighbors.


I don't think it was meant to be a strategic partnership. Does anyone believe so? It's a sweater from US Congress to make up to the bitter ROC after Nixon administration kicked her aside.

gunnut

OoE said it. US ditched Taiwan to form an alliance with China to tie down some Soviet forces. It's not that US really liked CCP and hated Taiwan. It had everything to do with the big picture. That being the former USSR was a much bigger threat and must be contained at all cost.

Maybe not now, but why waste our resources to choke China when we can use someone else's help?

China has world power ambitions, and not just military. PLAN won't be a match for the USN in 20, or even 30 years. But China has long range plans. They'll work on 50 year plans to catch up.

Maybe not. But a bluewater navy is needed to become a world power. Regional power is not what China is going after.

It was a strategic partnership. This way we get to use China to threaten USSR while using Taiwan to stifle China. All we had to do was keep selling enough weapons to make Taiwan a credible threat to Chinese expansion.

Taihang

Chinese commies were actually desperate and preoccupied with internal problems in 1976 -1995. They produced only something like 2 crappy destroyers for her navy during the period of about 20 years. It was pretty optimal time for the little dragon to claim a separate state. ROC military has been always superior to PLA (both in technology, equipment and training). It served the role well as a threat or a blockade to Chinese navy. But Today with a sluggish economy falling to China's provincial size and milky boy soldiers I won't bet much on the role as you suggested Taiwan to play. US could sell more and better weapons to Taiwan, or bully China in a harsher way. In the meantime US is also driving China to become a more dangerous power, no matter that it remains a communism or evolves to be a Taiwanese variant of democracy.

Adil Memon

Sorry to interrupt. I was reading the thread all through the beginning, but was forced to halt on this argument.

Perhaps you do not know. France and US are the countries that supplied Israel with the Nuclear Reactors and the required material for building a bomb.

According to NPT, the nuclear powers were supposed to dismantle their nuclear weapons. Did America dispose of its weapons? Did France do that? Did Israel do that?

Firstly, I do not think that Iran is pursuing its nuclear programme for military purposes. The IAEA has already declared that Iran is atleast 3-5 years away from building nuclear bombs. US has enough time to monitor Iran's nuclear activity before it really builds up a full fledged bomb. But it seems determined to invade another foreign country. That's an evil of Capitalism. When you build a lots of weapons from the excessive wealth that you create, you really need some place to expend them. Do people here know that the defence budget of US ($700 billion) is more than the GDP of 100 countries.

Even if Iran builds nuclear weapons, it has reasons. The threat to Iran from Isreal is real. People here might remember that only recently, perhaps in September, Israel air jets took off with extra fuel tanks (necessary for reaching Iran) for some unknown destination. The details of the activity are stil a mystery but there are reasons to believe that they were aimed at Iran.

Iran is a sovereign and proud nation. The issue is not too complex to resolve. It's just a clash of egos. If the US comes to the table (without bringing its much touted 'all options are open' propaganda), Iran will talk. US has no right to tell sovereign leaders of other countries that they are 'mad' just because they do not TOE the US line.