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Case in point, decedents of Korean slave labourers are not allowed Japanese citizenship.

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gunnut

That's very interesting to know. Is that a law or something?

My high school friend's aunt grew up in occupied Taiwan during WW2. She has lived in Japan for the last 50 years. She could not get Japanese citizenship. I wonder if she's in similar situation.

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Francois

I have never had any problem to get integrated in Japan.
Some people are stupid, like everywhere, they protect their nationals, and I think it is NORMAL. I am French, and I believe France should do just that.
Been in Paris lately?
Again, always the same discussion.
The Germans use the term "nazis" to explain that they didn't do it themselves.
By the way, look at the East of Germany, and even at the West lately, the old German songs are coming out... and some nice flags too.

Now, from my experience, for a foreigner to be integrated in the Japanese society, it is far easier then in Korea or in China.
And you won't be cheated in Japan.

Koreans in Japan? Heard of Chongryon? Try Wikipedia.
Fortunatly they won't ever integrate these bastards!

I have nice korean friends in Japan, and they won't complain about integration. They chose to live in Tokyo, where the life is better anyway.

Zeng

Francois,

As a Defense Professional, you still can't provide creditable facts even after I asked. The only thing you can provide is that you talked to a couple of people and got some answers and their answers become your generalized principle about how everyone in Asia looking at Japan. Is that your professionalism? No wonder almost everyone on the WAB can give you some education.

I give you the suggestion again, please read and learn comments from other Defense Professionals like xinhui and highsea and understand what does professionalism of a Defense Professional mean? Then, try to give us some creditable facts next time.

Just look at my comments, even I provided more information and development on the Sino-Japan relation than you.

Because you can't provide more information, let's me add some more information here for you to study. A new textbook in Japan changed wording on the group suicides in Okinawa forced by the Japanese army in WWII. The people in Okinawa protested it. That textbook may change its wording back next year.

The people in Okinawa protested new textbook and the WWII Japanese army actrocity, does it mean that "they hate Japan"?

Look at your words "you are educated to hate Japan". You are really running out of your arguments. Not only you can't provide fact, you can't even read and understand other's comments.

Does talking about Japanese army actrictity in WWII constitute "hate Japan"? or talking about disgusting WWII Japanese army costumed parade in Yasukuni shrine and the ultra-rightwing black truck constitute "hate Japan"? Even those Japanese with right consciousness talk about these topics. Do they hate Japan?

I talked about Chiang Kai-shek's speech about not pursuing revenge toward Japanese and sent over a million Japanese back to Japan without put them in labor camp. Does that constitute "hate Japan"?

I talked about Sino-relation is improving since Koizumi era and the celebration of 35 year diplomatic relation in China and Japan. Does that constitute "hate Japan"?

I talked about the hostility between China and Japan will and should fade out as time goes on. Does that constitute "hate Japan"?

A Defense Professional really should put out better and intelligent arguments than that. Continue make this kind of non-intelligent accusation will only further discredit your credential as a Defense Professional.

I don't hate Japan or Japanese. In fact, I like Japan very much and studied Japanese as my second foreign language when I was still a college student in China. I visited many Japanese cities and historic sites, the Sakura (Cherry) blossoming in Ueno Park still give me good memory. Clean, safe and people is polite and well educated are my impression toward Japan and Japanese people besides certain exceptions such as Yasukuni shrine, ultra-right wing black trucks and the attitude of Japanese government toward their war crimes.

My Japanese adviser told me that how tough their lives were right after WWII. They work hard and smart to revive Japan from war ruin. There is a lot that China can learn from Japan. I am against violent demonstrations toward Japanese people and business in China. I am supporting a closer Sino-Japan relation.

However, the attitude of Japanese government toward their war crimes in Asia is not forgivable and deserves accusation. If Japanese government is hostile toward China and behaves stupidly to make offensive comments or images once a while toward its Asian neighbors, China surely needs to use its ability to isolate Japan as hard as possible. Their attitude toward their war crimes in Asia puts themselves into a box. They can't blame China to help them close the cover of the box. Similarly, we can't blame others for China put itself in a box in Mao's time. We can only blame ourselves.

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TopHatter

I have to admit, all that is good and decent and admirable about Japan and the Japanese people (Zeng xinren mentioned many things) is horribly tarnished by the blot of Japan's so-called "history" of World War II - more like a cruel fantasy to rest of their once intended "Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere" - as well as their veneration of Japanese war criminals.

Tarek Morgen

Uh no, the nazis came up with the term themselve. (of course mainy tried to blame others for what happened, but you will find that in every place, that the last person one looks for the guilty one is in the mirror, and Germany has dealt with its past far better than most nation can claim fpr their dark spots in their history.)

And while it is true that in parts of east Germany neo-nazis are on the rise, the same thing happens everywhere, where the economical situation is not the best (like it is in east Germany). The difference is with here people who downplay the holocaust are in splitterparties (at best), in Japan they are in the government. And as long as you won't see japanese PMs doing thise like this:


you won't see pics like this:



in China & Korea

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Francois

You might be very young and you sound very naive.
You first told me that all Japanese are fascists, and now you retract?

YOU DID PUT ON MY FACE that, all I said is Japan is not willing to be contained by a country that is claiming almost everything between Singapore and Hawaii, from pole to pole?
You might be kidding.

Zeng

I challenge you here.

Please point out where I said in this board that all Japanese are fascists.

If you can point that out, I apologize to you and all Japanese. If you can't point that out, please appolgize to me.

tangshiyn

Do you konw how many people die druing the time japan invaded China,35000000!
If we forget this history,the japanese militarism will come again.
how much is the japanese military expenditure ,and how much is the other country except of USA.

Zeng

tangshiyn,

Are you asking me? Please make it clear next time if you are asking me. OK, assuming that you are asking me, here is my answer.

Do you feel any of my comments show that I forgot that history? Did you read the links I provided?

We are not pursuing revenge but we will not forget the history and we will prepare for not letting that happen again.

No matter how much Japan spent on their military expenditure; we can do nothing about it.

What we can do is developing our economy and gain the ability to spend more on our military expenditure, which they can do nothing about it.

Hate Japanese and Violent demonstration wouldn’t help us in any way. Spending time on constructive work that can improve our capability is a lot smarter action. It is also a lot harder than shouting anti-Japan slogans. Once a while go for a peaceful demonstration to reval Japanese changing their textbook to deny WWII atrocity is OK. But mostly, the ones who don't want to do the hard work go to shout anti-Japan slogans again and again.

Those stupid ultra-rightwing Japanese shouting anti-this and anti-that slogans from their black trucks in the Japanese cities, do you want to be as stupid as them? Even most Japanese don't like those guys.

On the key international issues like UNSC seat for Japan, Chinese government of course will veto it. On the sea border conflict issues, of course, we need to insist our position. We propose the co-development plan, if they accept, we cooperate, if they don't we continue to negotiate.

There is no doubt about pursuing the maximum national interests under the limit of our capability. In order to gain more national interests, we need to create more capability. It is fair to everyone. There is no short cut for us.

Pursuing peace for our further development and preparing war for the future conflicts.

We want to establish better relations with everyone if they have the good wills to make win-win situation with us. But we wouldn’t stop a single day arming ourselves preparing for someone may not have the good wills to us.