Tigeranger

I know it is an exercise conducted among five countries, the so call “Shanghai Fives”. But it is truly a demonstration of the cooperation between Russian and China.

There are several interesting points that I think we should pay a close attention to. First, the long range troop maneuver that China has to conduct. Second, the performance of China’s new fighter jet. Third, the fighting capability of the Chinese infantry soldier.

Personally, I am very interested to see if China has made any improvements in its way of training its soldier. During the past exercises, the performance of the Chinese soldier was questionable. Is anyone here could confirm the report that during the last Russian-China exercise, Chinese airborne troop made a combat jump without their equipments?

Officer of Engineers

Where did you hear the J-10 is going to be involved?

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Tigeranger

Reported by the People’s Daily. On its website, it reports that PLAAF will send total 46 air planes include FB-7 fighter Bombers and J-10 Fighters (exact number unknown). Website’s editor also states that the early report about China sending the FC-1 fighter is incorrect. If the current report is right, then it means that the China’s naval aviation is also involved in this exercise. The report also sited a Russian General that according to him that the Chinese air planes will be landed in a Russian airport somewhere, get refueled then fly to the exercise site. I think this means that PLAAF and the naval aviation will not conduct any mid-air refueling, even thou both airplanes are capable of such operation. On the same website, the People’s daily also reports that one army aviation regiment from Beijing Military District will also be sent. This regiment is obviously the one that belongs to the 38th Corp.

This is all the information I got from the Chinese source. And sometime, they do have reliability issues. That’s why I would like see if we could gather some information from all the available sources that will enable us to have a complete understanding on this event.

xinhui

LOL, you are using people's daily for hardcore military news, it is like reading new york daily news/Time/newsweek for real and in depth analyze. Not going to work.

Try PLAdaily, Chinese edition. or if you can, get your hands on "the phone book", aka National Defense daily, sadly, National Defense daily only releases part of it s paper through the net.


if you want, I can list some of the better known PLA/PRC thank-tanks and their professional journals


Anyways, 38th GA LH regiment will be there lead by its regiment commander Sun is in Russia already.
31st GA will be there, they already issued their their new Type07 uniform for this event.

Tigeranger

PLA Daily is no difference. Both of them are full of propagandas. But I believe if you read them closely and filter out of the propaganda part, you could still get some useful information from them. And that's why I ask the members of this website to contribute as much information as possible regarding this event. Please do show me the list of PLA/PRC think tanks. Thanks

xinhui

I am not going to defend PLA' daily as one of its stated mission is to propaganda, but for the past few years, people witnessed a great deal of lively exchanges conducted there, examples, such as the new famous "two centers", "failed invasion campaigns" debates.

Yup. unlike people's daily, reporters from PLAdaily can tell the difference between a sub from a jet ( not a joke)

Tigeranger

LOL

So the 31st is going to be there, I guess that the chinese leaders are trying to test the main force whom is most likely to be used in the war with TW. The exercise is becoming more and more interesting.

xinhui

Here are some security / military related

China Institute of Contemporary International Relations (Zhongguo xiandai guoji guanxi yanjiusuo) (grand daddy, research for Central Committee of CCP)

China Institute of International Studies (Zhongguo guoji wenti yanjiusuo)

Foundation for International Strategic Studies (Guoji zhanlu¨e yanjiu jijinhui) (research for State Council Ministry of State Security)

China Institute for International Strategic Studies (founded by PLA's GSD, hardliner)

Chinese People’s Institute of Foreign Affairs (Zhongguo renmin waijiao xuehui) (founded by Foreign ministry) (soft liner)

Foreign Affairs Leading Group (founded by Central Committee of CCP)

Centre for Peace and Development Studies (founded by PLA's GPD)


Xinhua Centre for World Affairs (the only one that has an areas that deasl with Inida)

Institute of Taiwan Studies (the only that is an official organization)


China Society for Strategy and Management (founded by PLA Academy of Military Sciences and Deng Xiaoping’s former foreign affairs advisor Huan Xiang )

Shanghai Centre for International Studies and Shanghai Institute of International Studies (one of the few powerful "NGO", that is NGO with Chinese characteristic )

There are many more, but the above are the most influential according to some.

xinhui

I am deeply impressed by your knowledge of PLA affairs, are you a professional watcher? Please excuse if I made a fool out of myself.

Tigeranger

Professional watcher??? not really Part time Defense Professional-weekend warrior , military junkie and Occasional FQ(Angry Chinese Youth) educator. Lt Col. YU here is the true expert on PLA. First saw him at Chinese military forum,then China Defense.com, liked his way of straight talking even since.

Officer of Engineers

Sorry,

You really have to give that credit to Andy, aka Xinhui. He collects info like no other. I just try to make sense of it all.

Still, for this exercise, I'm not sure what I'm going to see until I see the ex. It's going to be very heavily scripted. The last ex was a Russian salesman's dream; demonstrating where the PLA was lacking.

One thing that I am extremely interested in is the recee. Even if the ex is heavily scripted, there can be no denying of the force that can be delivered if their recee actually works.

astralis

actually,

i want to thank both col yu and andy here for all the info i learned over the years. am nothing more than the most amateur of PLA-peepers, but would whole-heartedly recommend china-defense.com to anyone interested in china at all.

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Tigeranger

That's great. It looks like we have two great minds on this website.

Look like this time is no difference. Russia said that it will launch 10 cruise missiles, probably another attampt to sell military hardware to China.

xinhui

thanks guys,

I can only see trees but the good Col can see the forest!

wkllaw

I've heard a lot of talk of the angry chinese youth, I have to ask are there really a lot of them out there or what?

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