xinhui

tphuang

I have no idea what the article you cited and your post are trying to say.....

care to enlighten me?

Thx in advance.

hallo84

look like usual propaganda speak that say quite little.
But what's interesting is that 林左鸣(一航总经理) is personally involved in the planning of tech support of airforce and meeting for contingency plan have underwent in 杭州. So as to ensure nothing goes wrong.

What really worry me is this

　　期间，林左鸣一行参观了师史馆、飞机现场和机务大队，慰问了集团公司派驻现场的服务保障人 员，并向部队 赠送了慰问金。

is bribing the airforce the way to do business now...?

tphuang

I think China is taking this opportunity trying to show off JH-7A and get a couple of export sales.

xinhui

There is no market for a JH-7 class striker, small-mid size nations want fighter-bomber, not bomber-fighters. Just the cast of maintenance for that class of aircraft will kill their budget. In addition, the article you cited has nothing to do with PRC wanting to export the JH-7.

tphuang

It doesn't, just showing PLA trying to make JH-7A as attractive as possible. And this is a great opportunity for them to really show off the plane.

xinhui

show off in front of the Russians????? in Central Asia?


General Cao wants PLAAF to play a more active role in supporting the GF, note they are not send their SU birds as PLAAF is not using them in mud moving rules. Also, the Russians are using SU-25 as a counter part, it is a side-by-side learning exp for the PLA.

xinhui

If you have time, it will be a good idea to review PLAdaily's articles and note the tone different between the 2005 ex and the current one. Given the political overtone of the 2005 ex (ie, take on an island) PLA had to show confidence. This time around PLAdaily articles goes a great length on what the PLA already learned, The front page article on July 17 edition of the PLAdaily is a detailed how Joint Campaign Command Post 's rule in planning to ensure smooth transfer of troops and equipments to Russia. PLA focus on logistic and lesson learned before the ex starts. At the same time, you speak of sales of an aircraft that has no market.

tphuang

Iran, Pakistan + countries outside of SCO that they invited. Also, 漏斗子 was the one that originally brought this up on Chinese bbs. It just happened to make sense for me. So, I brought this up as an extra reason for them to send the plane.
you mentionned JH-7A in your post, so I posted an article regarding the preparation of the plane. Frankly, I have more interest in JH-7A than joint ops, so forgive me for not mentioning the transfer of troops/equipments article that I've been reading for the last month.

xinhui

Col,

The director of this ex is a full PLAAF General, currently dupty Chief of Staff, General Staff Department, this is as high of the food chain as you can get.

这次联合军演中方总导演是副总参谋长许其亮空军上将，俄方总导演是陆军副总司令莫尔坚斯科伊上 将。



Resume

许其亮上将，男，汉族，中国人民解放军副总参谋长，1950年3月生，山东省临朐人，1967年7月加入中 国共产党，1966 年7月参加工作，空军第五航空学校毕业，大专学历，上将军衔。1966年7月参加中国人民解放军。1966 年7月至1967年12月空军第一航空预备学校学员；1967年12月至1968年8月空军第八航空学校学 员；1968年8月至1969年8月空军第五航空学校学员；1969年8月至1983年5月空军航空兵师飞 行员、独立大队副大队长、大队长、副师长（期间：1982年3月至10月在空军学院军事高级班学习）；19 83年5月至1984年8月空军航空兵师长；1984年8月至1985年8月空军副军长；1985年8月至 1988年7月空军上海指挥所参谋长（期间：1986年9月至1988年7月在国防大学基本系学习）；19 88年7月至1989年7月空军军代理副军长；1989年7月至1993年1月空军军参谋长、军长；199 3年1月至1994年 10月空军副参谋长（期间：1994年9月至11月在国防大学战役进修班学习）；1994年10月至199 9年2月空军参谋长；1999年2月至2004 年7月沈阳军区副司令员兼沈阳军区空军司令员（期间：2001年3月至7月在国防大学正军职以上干部培训班 学习）；2004年7月任解放军副总参谋长。 1991年6月晋升为空军少将军衔，1996年7月晋升为空军中将军衔。中共第十四届、十五届中央候补委员 ，第十六届中央委员。，2007年 6月20日晋升为上将军衔


He was part of the 968 project, the so-call "anti-aircraft carrier study group", he also took part in 7 amp assault ex near TW.

Tigeranger

Now the Chinese troop is finally arrived at the exercise ground. Could anyone give an assessment on this troop movement operation? My own assessment is this:

1. The railway transportation part went pretty well. Although it is completely under a peace time condition, since this is the first time that China projects its force outside its border after the Sino-Vietnam in 1979, I guess that we shouldn’t be too critical. At least, they have shown us that they are cable of bring a battalion size, light armor force to a foreign location nearly 10,000 km away. Still can’t tell how well the railway system will perform under war time condition and time restriction. I think this part of exercise is still not realistic; the PLA should at least impose some time limits on it. Which we know it is not case, because the troop that will join the exercise has been in XingJiang for a while to conduct pre-exercise crash course training( I have a problem with that kind training as well).

2. The JH-7s also have arrived the exercise site successfully with a “minor” problem with the Russian Customer. They had to disarm themselves before being allowed to fly into the Russian Sky. What does everyone here think of this incident? Just a little communication problem, or something else?

3. Second helicopter team arrived ahead of schedule. Good or Bad? I have watched a report by the Phoenix TV(that is a Chinese language Satellite TV program). During the program, the PLAAF general brag about this by saying that the second helicopter team has discovered that they had enough fuel during the flight, so they speed up and arrived at airfield ahead of schedule. The PLAAF general thought that was good. I personally think it is bad. Because it tells me after receiving the MI-17 for so many year, the PLA still don’t know the try capability of the helicopter they flying. Well, I guess this is what the training and exercise for. Now the PLA will have the long range flying experience, which is good for them.

4. The airlift operation is seems pretty successful as well. But some report has said IL-76 only flew 2900 km, which means that the IL-76 airlifted the soldier from 15th airborne Corp in Xingjiang, not their permanent bases in HuBei and HeNan. My question is Why Not???? IL-76 is obliviously capable of flying the troop from their permanent to the exercise site non-stop. Maybe the PLA thinks that the distance of 2900 km is enough to demonstrate its capability to Taiwan which is only 900-1000 km away from 15th airborne corp’s bases.

Tigeranger

Google Earth Photo of the exercise site. Enjoy everyone!

The Hosting City-Chelyabinsk, The airfield in NNW, closer to the city is the Shagol airfield where most of airplane will be


Exercise Groud Chebarkul-Sorry can't see a thing, just want to give everyone an idea of the ground


Shagol airfield


Shagol airfield again- a lot of Tupolevs and some Antonovs


Shagol air field again- looks a pair of Mig-29 to me

xinhui

since this is the first time that China projects its force outside its border after the Sino-Vietnam in 1979

PLA send number of btn size force on UN missions, in additional to mine clearing missions in southern Thailand.

Tigeranger

I correct myself.--First time send troop out for "fighting" Plus I have always wondered whether the PLA has gained any pratical experience on force projection and more by providing peace keeping force.

Feanor

Nice photos. Are they going to release any public photographs after it's over? Like the VTTV-Omsk 2007 arms expo does?

Tigeranger

All major Chinese TV stations are covering this exercise,so are most of news and military web site. I will post some photo if I got them. But I am really interested to see the coverage from the Russian source.