Grim

For a long time the activities of anarchist groups have been questionable. The principals they claim to adhere to and their proclivity to support certain agendas I find humorous. I have wondered when they would over step the bounds of society's tolerance for childish rebellion. That day has come in Greece. The Greek Government takes a very dim view of people who try to fire bomb government buildings and as such now the little tantrum throwing misfits find themselves with the Official title of Terrorist. Yes indeed now they get to play with the big kids for real. I'd bet they are so excited they just can't sleep tonight.
http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w.../07/2007_85309

entropy

If someone here is familiar with the home-squatting scandals that happen nowadays in Europe (Denmark and Belgium), I found out that there is an entire network of terrorists around it.

For the unfamiliar ones: In Denmark half a year ago, and a month ago in Leuven (Belgium) riots took place. Serious riots. Reason: junkies and homeless chased off property.
There was a derelict house, that no one cared about. It served as an unofficial home for all kinds of people. Homeless lived there, and young people hung out there, smoking pot and having Woodstock-like orgies.
Then some rich capitalist bastard came and bought the property. As you might have expected, the people immediately started talking about capitalist pigs, unfairness and that the house should be left alone. Rather big riots took place. Of course, the houses were bought and as in the Leuven case, transformed into a supermarket.
I was at a hip-hop party last week with some people I knew. They have leftist tendencies but are ok if you do not mention that. I met some more people over there, talked with them about the riots. Quickly I realized that there IS an anarchist network in Western Europe. I was told stories about unfairness, the rich exploiting the poor, the System™ and the New World Order™. Apparently they are people who believe in terrorism to bring down the System™.

One thing does not fit in my mind entirely. They talk about unfairness, but the majority of them is just lazy. They drop school, do not want to contribute and often live on welfare.
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captain

Gday Entropy,

This sort of thing is not only confined to Europe but is a world wide thing and has been going on in one form or another for decades.

Years ago it was the Hippies and Flower children who would run amok but most of them grew up and became "somewhat normal" members of society.
Those that did not will always be a minority on the fringes of society that the rest of us are quite happy to ignore.

Typically these lefty nutters are very young and think they know it all and beleive the rest of the world owes them something.
In Australia we have a group called S11 who are nothing but smelly, dumb misfits who get their jollies by destroyng anything they can and displaying the most amazing resistance to any form of intelligent logic.

Uni students seem more prone to the disease than most and many of them seem to go through this "right of passage" before they grow up.
They most likely catch the disease from the few who never get over it (loony left university lecturers)

Cheers.

Dwarven Pirate

Fire-bombing public buildings is terrorism. An anarchist is not necessarily a terrorist, however. America has a somewhat popular anarchic political party (at least in their economic theory).

Expat Canuck

Captain, trust me when I say that Australia has nothing on the lazy bums that Europe has.

There was this one guy I used to skate with in Amsterdam who lived in a squat and just ripped around the local bowl. I offered to help him out with a job and he came up with every excuse as to why he couldn't do it. I met a lot of people like him over there. There are people like this everywhere of course but for some reason Continental Europe is rampant.

gunnut

Generous welfare, nationalized medicine, free education, will do that to a man.

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Dwarven Pirate

I see this alot in America as well. Someone loses their job and they will prefer to exploit the welfare system until their unemployment benefits run out instead of taking some labor gig to support themselves.

Not quite on the same level as not working at all, ever, but...

Regarding the article, how serious are the Greeks about "restricting the activities" of all activist groups due to the property damage caused by these few individuals? The wording in the article makes it sound to me like an excuse, but that could just be the writer's bias.

Stan187

Of course they drop out of school, that's the "Man's" school and the "System's" school that will propagate fatally flawed lies such as gravity and Holocaust as if they were facts!

But, luckily, you pay taxes and support them degeneracy. Which is why socialism, or pseudo-socialism, sucks.

Teh end.

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entropy

I spoke recently to an anarchist. He said to me that the Evil Society did not let him to develop his own unique personality, and that he was forced to live in it and had no possibility to step out of it.
He also said that any form of hierarchy is evül and that the workers should decide themselves what they are going to do in worker unions without any leadership. He explained that leadership kills the unique personality of the people, and that they are able to make their own decisions. The evil nature of man is caused by capital.
I tried to tell him that it would be impossible to build a bridge, a car or even dig a hole without proper leadership. I told him about the army structure and why certain things are build according to a hierarchy, because structure is needed to get something done. He wouldn't listen.He told me that hierarchy wasn't needed at all. He also started to tell me about the Capital, how evül it was and that all problems come out of it.

I kindly advised the man to go to Siberia, the Gobi Desert or Terra Antarctis Incognito if he wanted to step out of society. Plenty of room there. I spent the rest of the day dreaming about slavery and hating the working class.

crooks

I dunno - whenever I visit "the continent" my opinion changes - France has a lot of problems, but I think the enviroment they live in (nice clean streets, everyone looking happy, relatively low signs of genuine poverty compared to the US/UK) is quite nice, and they're more polite than you'd expect (very frank though, and were disgraceful at a memorial I visited).
The Dutch are hard workers, and intelligent - I like they're pragmatic outlook as well, they're true realists.
Germans have a economy with similar aspirations to the true free market ones, but tie it down with bueracracy and regulations.
The Spanish are quite poor in comparision to the rest of Western Europe, but amazing to talk to, and have a true sense of joy for living.

I think they're all stark raving mad......mind you, I don't buy this "socialist" crap (most of them have centre-right governments) - however there's an indefinable sense of uniqueness about Europe - it's not a good thing, or a bad thing, just a thing.

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Ophir

What irony -- a century ago or so, the term 'anarchist' was pretty much synonymous with 'terrorist'.

smilingassassin

True, allthough "anarchists" weren't as likely to engage in wholesale murder as "terrorists" are today. Sure you could see assassinations and the random murder here and there but mostly as others here have said it was dirrected at "the system" and was ment to free the people. Nowadays the target is the people, someone that "the system" is charged with the protection of. Thats what truely transforms the meaning of "terrorism".

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Feanor

The meaning of the word terrorist, or rather the connotation, has changed too, since the days of the nihilists.

Hey. That's not nice.

JAD_333

Those old enough to remember, such as yours truly, will recall that the US had a heady bout with home-grown revolutionaries back in the 1960s and 1970s, The main group was called the Weather Underground. They were responsible for a number of bombings, but were out to harm infrastructure, not people.

The group went out of business soon after the Vietnam war, which had prompted them to organize in the first place. Many of them were wanted by the FBI and one-by-one they surrendered to the police over the years. Most got off with a fine and probabtion. Only 2 went to jail and that's because they were part of an aborted attempt to rob an armored car that resulted
the klling of 2 guards.

It seems that something like this is always taking place somewhere in the world.

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Ophir

Well, use of violence to achieve one's political ends stays with us.

AFAIK you also had the Symbionese Liberation Army in the 70s and the United Freedom Front in the 80s; I don't know the particulars of their respective ideologies, though.