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Old 03-16-2007, 17:07 PM   #76 (permalink)
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sorry to bother, can someone here tell me how to unscript this thread, I guess i click some button by mistake and keep receiving emails which I don't want.
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Old 03-16-2007, 18:34 PM   #77 (permalink)
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The official military budget increase is 17.8% this year

But Foreign estimators are good at math to multiply numbers

Not only multiplying the absolute military budget by 3, but also multiplying the increasing rate by almost 2
Perhaps its because the CCP doesn't do proper accounting - and the rest of the world does.

China doesn't include running costs so as to deflate the overall outcome. Running costs can easily exceed 60% of platform costs.
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Old 03-16-2007, 19:25 PM   #78 (permalink)
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Does this data capture the "under the table" trade with Mexico? Fully 10% of Mexico's population are here illegally thanks to 20 years of morons in the White House and the crooks on the Hill.
it doesn't. as you can imagine, trying to calculate black market value can be a tad difficult.
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Old 03-19-2007, 17:59 PM   #79 (permalink)
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My friend has a colleague from Taiwan at his work. The guy is convinced that China is ready to launch a pre-emptive strike at our satellites, disable the American strategic military advantage, just to launch an all-out attack on Taiwan...this year.

My friend says the guy gets belligerant if you tell him that's not gonna happen.

I told my friend to tell him he knows only Jack and sh!t, and Jack left town.
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Old 03-19-2007, 22:39 PM   #80 (permalink)
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I am going to stop pursuing you on your 3 exaggerations of "China truths". Next time, when you make those accusations, better got evidence first. Some of your students may hear some crazy talk shows or read street side junk papers. It is impossible for Chinese text books to teach those things except the China got victory in Korea.

You want America to be the sole superpower, I agree with you. I got a graduate degree from America and benefited from it greatly in China. I even thought America to be my second homeland. Except China, America is the country that I lived longest. America is the sole superpower because it is tolerate, generous , fair-play and aggressive. Those are the reasons that America and American people are admired and respected by us. Pushing others downstair should not be American kind of thinking as far as I know. It is unrespectable.
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Old 03-19-2007, 22:49 PM   #81 (permalink)
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ok soviet volunteers, after ENA's statements I was wondering if the AVG had been relabled the SVG by the CCP.
You see, ENA's statements have changed people's view (zraver's view) to a wrong direction.


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I'm not sure if there were any Soviet pilots who fought the Japanese on behalf of the Chinese government at the time. Soviet Union, however, did supply a batch of I-15s and I-16s to China before China was able to get more advanced fighters from the western powers.
Before the anti-Japanese war started, China (KMT) got most help from German. After the war started, Japanese forced German to stop the help and Japanese also forced other countries including America to embargo China on weaponery.

Soviet not only supplied (sold) weapons to China, but also sent around 2000 men Soviet Union Aiding China Volunteer flight team to fight Japanese air force in China. Around 200 of them died in China during fighting. They trained even more China fighter pilots. Chinese (KMT) air force did brave fights in the beginning of the war and lost almost all fighters and pilots.

Soviet team used name of volunteer, but was really sent by the soviet government.

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Old 03-19-2007, 22:54 PM   #82 (permalink)
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We do know about Dr. Kotnis. His story is part of our school syllabus.

Your repeated claim of China not desiring to be a super-power is rather hollow. US, Russia, and India, are happy with their territorial integrity and have no desire to "add" disputed regions in the nations maps. While China feels incomplete and is focused at rectifiying 1000 yrs old history; hence the invasion of Tibet, claims on Arunachal, Kashmir, Vietnam, islands in the South China sea, and Taiwan being the most desired piece of real estate. It escapes your attention that the people of these regions want to stay away from China.
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Great, we thank Dr. Kotnis and glad that you know him.

Yes, I said that China does not desire to be a super-power. I will repeat it here again that China should not desire to be a super-power. China still have hundred of millions of people lived in poverty. Lifting them from poverty is much more important than anything else for China. China declares to be a third world country and will be one for long long time.

Please don’t forget that India is claiming Aksai Chin, just like China is claiming Southern Tibet (Arunachal).

India is China’s neighbor. Does India want to stay away from China? Where does India want to go? Just curious

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Old 03-19-2007, 22:55 PM   #83 (permalink)
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Possible, they have already attacked Russian territories in May of 1969 (Damanskiy conflict), so why don't they do it again?
Damanskiy Island is called Zhenbao Island (珍宝岛) in Chinese. I wonder if you know that the border agreement between Russia and China has determined that this island belongs to China.

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My friend has a colleague from Taiwan at his work. The guy is convinced that China is ready to launch a pre-emptive strike at our satellites, disable the American strategic military advantage, just to launch an all-out attack on Taiwan...this year.

My friend says the guy gets belligerant if you tell him that's not gonna happen.

I told my friend to tell him he knows only Jack and sh!t, and Jack left town.
I will be scared to meet this guy. He will be killing me for mainland China not attacking Taiwan this year.
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India is China’s neighbor. Does India want to stay away from China? Where does India want to go? Just curious
What the Cpt meant was that the people in the Indian provinces bordering China want to stay away from China
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Great, we thank Dr. Kotnis and glad that you know him.

Yes, I said that China does not desire to be a super-power. I will repeat it here again that China should not desire to be a super-power. China still have hundred of millions of people lived in poverty. Lifting them from poverty is much more important than anything else for China. China declares to be a third world country and will be one for long long time.

Please don’t forget that India is claiming Aksai Chin, just like China is claiming Southern Tibet (Arunachal).

India is China’s neighbor. Does India want to stay away from China? Where does India want to go? Just curious
Zeng, does not and should not are not the same thing. What China does desire based soley on actions is power projection capabilites, and adding all the disputed territory to it self.
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would like to point out that JUST BY lifting the poor out of poverty- and doing nothing else- china will become a superpower. if 1.2 billion chinese have even half the buying power that american citizens have today, US financial dominance will be brushed aside. of course, this will not happen anytime soon, but there it is.

so i repeat, whether it wants to or not, barring a total long-term collapse of the domestic/int'l market, china will become a superpower. the only question is when. and there is no question that the CCP is doing its best to speed up that day, both for its own sake, for the people's sake, and for the nation's sake. nothing particularly surprising, or even particularly alarming, about that.
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so i repeat, whether it wants to or not, barring a total long-term collapse of the domestic/int'l market, china will become a superpower. the only question is when. and there is no question that the CCP is doing its best to speed up that day, both for its own sake, for the people's sake, and for the nation's sake. nothing particularly surprising, or even particularly alarming, about that.
Does that mean that it is in the interest of nations sharing a border with China to either delay China becoming a superpower or else become junior partners
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What the Cpt meant was that the people in the Indian provinces bordering China want to stay away from China
667medic,

Sorry, I was just joking with lemontree in #82.

lemontree didn't just talk about Indians, he talked about the people in all China's neighboring countries.

It is not true that people around Chinese border want to stay away from China.

Some Indians on this forum have biased views about China. Please read my comments below:

In the North, Sino-Russia and Sino-Mongol borders, local Chinese, Russian and Mongol are doing goods to goods trading to boost the local economic developments. Sino-N. Korea border, N. Korea decided to build a special economic zone there. In Beijing we have many S. Korean and Japanese students studying here.

In the South, Sino-Vietnam border towns have become tourist attractions. Vietnamese migrated into border area for business with China. Kunming-Bangkok Highway passes through Sino-Laos border to connect China, Laos and Thailand. This highway is just a part of a more ambitious Greater Mekong River Region transportation network that will connect China more closely to that region. Sino-Burma border is similar to Sino-Vietnam border and is becoming tourist attractions. But drugs come into China from Burma is a very serious problem for China today. China is helping Burma farmers to plant other economic products to replace opium.

In the west, Sino-Nepal border has become tourist attraction. The problem is not Nepalese want to stay away from China. The problem is that too many of them want to come to China and China has to set limit that make some Nepalese angry. Sino-Pakistan border crossing has become a busy land bridge connecting Southern Asia to China. Pakistan government expressed that Pakistan is willing to help China to build a transportation corridor to Indian Ocean, Middle East and Africa. Even the opening of Sino-India border crossing is hailed by the local Indian and Chinese/Tibetan people in both sides.

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The statement of "people want to stay away from China" is not true. China's rapid economic development brought opportunities to her neighbors.
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Zeng, does not and should not are not the same thing. What China does desire based soley on actions is power projection capabilites, and adding all the disputed territory to it self.
zraver, I agree with you that “does not and should not are not the same thing”.

Chinese government repeated claim of China is a third world country means that China doesn’t desire to be a super-power. I made emphasis here that China should not desire to be a super-power because she got serious poverty problem to solve.

People on this forum have repeated claim that China doesn’t have any power projection capabilities and will not have them in the foreseeable future. So, it supports the claim that China will not be a super-power for the foreseeable future.

zraver, do you follow the recent China border negotiation?

China settled border disputes with Russia, Burma, Nepal, Pakistan and other new **stan countries through negotiation. In the final agreements, China got small bit territory back from Russia, which means that China accepted all the agreements Qing dynasty signed with Russia under pressure. China exchanged a small section of lands with Burma. China lost small bit territory to Nepal.

Just think about that China would even make compromise with Nepal, while India still has border dispute with Nepal.

With India, since 1957 through 1962, China basically agreed to negotiate based on LOC (Line of Control) and make small adjustments if necessary. It means that China might have agreed to give India 90000 square km disputed land, the Southern Tibet (Arunachal). I am not sure if today's China still agrees with it.

But India requires China withdrawing from Aksai Chin (33000 square km) without even acknowledging that Southern Tibet (Arunachal) is disputed land.

At 1962, the China 219 highway through Aksai Chin was the only truck road to connect west Tibet (阿里地区) with the rest of the China. West Tibet (阿里地区) was the birth place of the Tibetan culture and Tibetan Buddhism. Without Aksai Chin, China couldn’t support west Tibet (阿里地区).

My comments showed that China would like to negotiate and even make compromise if necessary. Even some Indians agree that China's proposal was fair and India should have accepted it and avoided the war.

rediff.com Special Series: 40 years after the Sino-Indian 1962 war

Your statement "adding all the disputed territory to it self" is not true.

I don't want to argue about Sino-India border disputes here. If our Indian friends argue about it, I say sorry in advance and may not response according to your statements.

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