Reviving Japan's Military - Page 3

xrough · 01-24-2007, 01:42 AM

China is not claiming a part of Spratley's or a group of islets but the whole of the Spratley's which is technically in doubt..even those islands that inside the EEZ of other claimant they still claim it..

Francois · 01-24-2007, 02:45 AM

Well, if you look in details, they claim about everything between Singapore and Okinawa. And the list of claims keeps growing at times.

awangmamat · 01-24-2007, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Francois

Over the Spratleys (and about every ground or sea claimed by the PCC), China has stated a definite status of non-negociability.

And they will deal with the issues one at a time when they feel confortable enough.

Just see what they did with Vietnamese islands in 1974 and 1988.

Absolutely. And I would say that the reason the Philippines is "jointly" developing their offshore assets with China is because they do not possess the means to enforce their sovereignty. Whether a revival in the Japanese military might serve as a surrogate to this current lack of ability for various East Asian littoral states is debatable. I have yet to see any indication of an agreement within the Japanese body politic that it is in their interest to do so. However, a revival would certainly free American military resources for this role.

Francois · 01-24-2007, 09:29 AM

Actually, IMV, China has passed a test toward ASEAN by making check to Vietnam and Philippines.
The absence of a coordinated and noisy reaction by the whole group has just sent the sign in Pekin that PLA can act pretty freely.
That makes the two-parties-only treaties' policy a good one, for Pekin.

awangmamat · 01-25-2007, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Francois

Actually, IMV, China has passed a test toward ASEAN by making check to Vietnam and Philippines.
The absence of a coordinated and noisy reaction by the whole group has just sent the sign in Pekin that PLA can act pretty freely.
That makes the two-parties-only treaties' policy a good one, for Pekin.

I would agree. Unfortunately, it will be a while before ASEAN is in a position where coordinated foreign policy become a reality. It is a worthy goal but remains a long-term one. In the meantime, individual states are left to fend for themselves as best they can. Thinking about it perhaps this is why Fidel Ramos was beating the drum so loudly. Well, I must do some background research on his position on this.

Inst · 01-25-2007, 11:44 AM

China's Spratleys policy is in the context of its energy inefficiency?

-{SpoonmaN}- · 01-25-2007, 19:35 PM

[quote=Officer of Engineers;330852]Taiwan has thus far refused any Japanese co-operation in its own military defence.[/QUOTE

Stupidity, pure and simple. I bet if that PLA Mech Division lands on their turf they'll change their tune, at which point the JMSDF will become a massive obstacle to the PLA-N.
And, as I said, they can count on no help from us, and likely most of the 'hood, due to our dependency upon Chinese trade for our economic stability.

**Officer of Engineers** · 01-25-2007, 19:59 PM

If there is one thing that would make the Taiwanese switch sides immediately is a Japanese fleet bearing down on Chinese territory.

Zeng · 01-25-2007, 21:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Francois

When I count the number of ships China keeps sending to the Senkakus and right INTO Japanese waters, I would be in the Diet I would think something strange is happening in Chinese politicians mind.

Senkakus is called Diaoyutai (钓鱼台) in Chinese. We don't agree that it is Japanese waters. When Chinese sub went into Japanese water accidentally, China apologized.

Zeng · 01-25-2007, 21:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Francois

Actually, IMV, China has passed a test toward ASEAN by making check to Vietnam and Philippines.
The absence of a coordinated and noisy reaction by the whole group has just sent the sign in Pekin that PLA can act pretty freely.
That makes the two-parties-only treaties' policy a good one, for Pekin.

Welcome to the City of Pekin

Sorry, Just kidding.

Zeng · 01-25-2007, 21:59 PM

ASEAN's view on ASEAN-China relation (07/2004, a little bit old)
Building an ASEAN-China Strategic Partnership, Opinion and Editorial by S. Pushpanathan for The Jakarta Post, 1 July 2004

China's view on China-ASEAN Relations (10/2006)
Review of China-ASEAN Relations -- Beijing Review

American's view on China-ASEAN Relations (10/2006)
http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute...les/PUB735.pdf

Please don't feel disappointed for ASEAN and China not confronting with each other. Have a nice day.

Zeng · 01-25-2007, 22:10 PM

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Originally Posted by -{SpoonmaN}-

Stupidity, pure and simple. I bet if that PLA Mech Division lands on their turf they'll change their tune, at which point the JMSDF will become a massive obstacle to the PLA-N.
And, as I said, they can count on no help from us, and likely most of the 'hood, due to our dependency upon Chinese trade for our economic stability.

First, you can count on that PLA Mech Division will never land on their turf unless is invited.

Second, you don't count on help from US but China is counting on help from US to spank those secessionists in Taiwan if they go too far.

US showed that it is a very reliable ally here for China. US worked perfectly and we thank US for that.

xrough · 01-26-2007, 01:19 AM

Are you saying that US is in the side of China against Taiwan?

-{SpoonmaN}- · 01-27-2007, 22:21 PM

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Originally Posted by xrough

Are you saying that US is in the side of China against Taiwan?

Not directly, but the States have worked very hard in the past to prevent the secessionists there from doing anything stupid that would get them into a war that nobody wants and that nobody would benefit from.

xrough · 01-28-2007, 23:21 PM

Without the US, Taiwan obviously will fall on Chinese hands..but I think US is supplying Taiwan with anti-missile defense system?

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Zeng Contributor Join Date: 01-16-07 Posts: 586 Country:	ASEAN's view on ASEAN-China relation (07/2004, a little bit old) Building an ASEAN-China Strategic Partnership, Opinion and Editorial by S. Pushpanathan for The Jakarta Post, 1 July 2004 China's view on China-ASEAN Relations (10/2006) Review of China-ASEAN Relations -- Beijing Review American's view on China-ASEAN Relations (10/2006) http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute...les/PUB735.pdf Please don't feel disappointed for ASEAN and China not confronting with each other. Have a nice day. Last edited by Zeng : 01-25-2007 at 22:27 PM.

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01-24-2007, 01:42 AM	#31 (permalink)
xrough Contributor Join Date: 01-08-07 Location: Manila Posts: 746 Country:	China is not claiming a part of Spratley's or a group of islets but the whole of the Spratley's which is technically in doubt..even those islands that inside the EEZ of other claimant they still claim it..

01-24-2007, 02:45 AM	#32 (permalink)
Francois *Defense Professional* Join Date: 08-18-05 Posts: 129	Well, if you look in details, they claim about everything between Singapore and Okinawa. And the list of claims keeps growing at times.

01-24-2007, 09:29 AM	#34 (permalink)
Francois *Defense Professional* Join Date: 08-18-05 Posts: 129	Actually, IMV, China has passed a test toward ASEAN by making check to Vietnam and Philippines. The absence of a coordinated and noisy reaction by the whole group has just sent the sign in Pekin that PLA can act pretty freely. That makes the two-parties-only treaties' policy a good one, for Pekin.

01-25-2007, 11:44 AM	#36 (permalink)
Inst Patron Join Date: 12-17-06 Posts: 197	China's Spratleys policy is in the context of its energy inefficiency?

01-26-2007, 01:19 AM	#43 (permalink)
xrough Contributor Join Date: 01-08-07 Location: Manila Posts: 746 Country:	Are you saying that US is in the side of China against Taiwan?

01-28-2007, 23:21 PM	#45 (permalink)
xrough Contributor Join Date: 01-08-07 Location: Manila Posts: 746 Country:	Without the US, Taiwan obviously will fall on Chinese hands..but I think US is supplying Taiwan with anti-missile defense system?

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