US Navy blockades Somali coast - Page 2

highsea · 01-06-2007, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Ray

WAB!

Lol. I can see it now. We'll bomb them with butter cookies.

ArmchairGeneral · 01-06-2007, 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by highsea

Lol. I can see it now. We'll bomb them with butter cookies.

Wait a minute now, is WAB a signatory to the Geneva Convention? I think butter cookies are in the banned weapons list.

highsea · 01-07-2007, 00:24 AM

Guess the honeymoon is over.

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Somalis protest over Ethiopians

Hundreds of people have taken to the streets of the Somali capital Mogadishu in protest at the presence of Ethiopian forces backing the interim government. Witnesses said security forces fired in the air to disperse crowds, as youths burnt tyres and threw stones.

Witnesses said security forces fired in the air to disperse crowds, as youths burnt tyres and threw stones.

At least one civilian was killed and several others injured by gunfire, but it was not clear who was responsible.

The protests came as the government indefinitely postponed a forcible disarmament programme in the capital.

Elders of the biggest clan in Mogadishu complained that the programme was one-sided and did not apply outside the capital.

The original deadline for handing in weapons was Thursday but few people have done so.

Observers say Mogadishu is awash with weapons, and violence has increased since Ethiopian-led troops ousted Islamist militias.

'Inhuman action'

A 13-year-old boy was killed when government forces opened fire on demonstrators, his family told AFP news agency.

"Some government troops and Ethiopian forces opened fire to disperse the crowds and my son was hit by a bullet," Omar Halame Rage told AFP.

"This is unacceptable and an inhuman action. We don't need those Ethiopian forces with their government soldiers if they are shooting our children," he is quoted as saying. [Duh, what was your 13 year old kid doing on the streets, moron?]

The Somali police said protesters threw stones at government forces, provoking the shooting that they said was an act of self defence.

Saturday's riots are the third to hit Mogadishu since Ethiopian and Somali troops arrived on 28 December, ousting Islamist forces that had taken control in June.

The Islamists have vowed to wage a guerrilla war against the Ethiopians. Al-Qaeda number two Ayman al-Zawahiri has reportedly urged the Islamist militias to fight the "crusaders".

"I call upon the Muslim nation in Somalia to remain in the new battlefield that is one of the crusader battlefields that are being launched by America and its allies and the United Nations against Islam and Muslims," a five-minute tape, posted on a website used by militants, said.

'Real chance'

On Friday, Somali interim President Abdullahi Yusuf called for a "speedy deployment" of the AU force, agreed by the UN Security Council before the current hostilities.

Speaking at a Nairobi meeting, he said there was a rare chance for a real political breakthrough in Somalia, plagued by violence for 15 years.

The US has agreed to provide $10m (£5.2m) towards the funding of the 8,000-strong peacekeeping force - part of $40m pledged to support Somalia's efforts to restore stability. [Complete waste of money]

Ethiopia's Prime Minister, Meles Zenawi, has said he wants his forces out of the country in a matter of weeks.

Kenya's government has shut its border with Somalia, despite criticism from the United Nations' refugee agency.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6236495.stm

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

troung · 01-07-2007, 02:16 AM

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Wait a minute now, is WAB a signatory to the Geneva Convention? I think butter cookies are in the banned weapons list.

A couple MiG-23BNs drop some butter cookies who will link it back to us? This is war dammit! We'll just stall and water down the UN investigation.

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Once the Ethiopians leave, it will be back to the same old story- feuding warlords and private militias

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The AU doesn't have the forces, and the UN doesn't have the will. Who is going to step in?

Ethiopia has penned a deal last year to use Somalia's ports.

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Like ME, the colonialists drew illogical borders to suit their economic and political aims!

On ethnic lines Somalia might be better off then most nations. Their falling apart was due to bad leadership and battlefield defeat which caused the nation to fall apart.

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Even in the light of a complete rout, they were offered amnesty. How stupid. They should have been driven into the sea.

Gives the warlords who joined the ICU after they started getting big the option of going over to the government; most of the ICU were warlords/members of warlord armies. Many warlords had defected from the TG after the ICU started winning. Hell the commander of the ICU military forces (who fled to Saudi Arabia after the shooting started with Ethiopia) was a brutal warlord who joined the ICU.

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I say move on the Philippines, combine US naval supremacy with Filipino ground operations and isolate and rout the enemy there next. One country at a time... keep sustained pressure on the major front while systematically seeking and destroying terrorist-aligned forces one country at a time.

In the case of the Philippines we need to supply some more ships (to patrol), radios and helicopters (to move the LRB/SR) and they will finish off the ASG/JI. They have already worked out a sorta deal with Indonesia to deal with JI in both nations. Of course conducting joint training with the USA in war zones has helped out a lot in the past...

They have some major problems that aid cannot help which has hurt them in the field.

Probably not the best threat to discuss COIN in the Philippines I guess.

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It is noteworthy that our smaller allies have been winning while the big ticket conflicts are bogged down.

**Ironduke** · 01-07-2007, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by highsea

It has been unstable and unsafe for 25 years. Why should it change now?

The AU doesn't have the forces, and the UN doesn't have the will. Who is going to step in?

Perhaps the Somalis would react more kindly to forces from Muslim nations friendly to the US? Heck, I think we should even pay for them behind the scenes if it would work.

In the meantime, aid the Kenyans and Eritreans in sealing the border, while continuing our "patrolling" action.

Ray · 01-07-2007, 09:50 AM

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Perhaps the Somalis would react more kindly to forces from Muslim nations friendly to the US? Heck, I think we should even pay for them behind the scenes if it would work.

And who will believe that the US is not already at it?

The naval armada was not obviously cruising on a goodwill trip elsewhere and veered Somalia way on an SOS.

It appeared at the right time with a purpose and totally in tandem with the ground action!

It is a well planned action that was prepared before hand.

highsea · 01-07-2007, 13:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ironduke

Perhaps the Somalis would react more kindly to forces from Muslim nations friendly to the US?

Who would that be?

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Originally Posted by Ironduke

In the meantime, aid the Kenyans and Eritreans in sealing the border, while continuing our "patrolling" action.

I think you mean Kenya and Ethiopia. Eritrea doesn't share a border with Somalia, and they're on the side of the Islamists anyway.

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Originally Posted by Troung

Gives the warlords who joined the ICU after they started getting big the option of going over to the government

And give up their weapons/disband their militias? Do you really think that's going to happen?

I don't.

Ray · 01-07-2007, 13:23 PM

Eritrea does not have a common border, but they have their finger in the pie!

troung · 01-07-2007, 13:33 PM

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Eritrea does not have a common border, but they have their finger in the pie!

Our Arab allies have their finger in the pie through Eritrea.

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And give up their weapons/disband their militias? Do you really think that's going to happen?

Well they're not stupid. Put on a new arm band or dust off their old one and declare support for the TFG.

**astralis** · 01-08-2007, 21:20 PM

well, looks like ray was spot on, as usual!

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070109/...f/us_somalia_1

U.S. strike targets al-Qaida in Somalia

8 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - The U.S. military launched a strike Monday against several suspected members of al-Qaida in Somalia, CBS News reported Monday.
ADVERTISEMENT

The targets, CBS reported, included the senior al-Qaida leader in East Africa and an al-Qaida operative wanted for his involvement in the 1998 bombings of the American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.

Citing
Pentagon sources, CBS reported that an Air Force AC-130 gunship led the attack against the site at the southern tip of Somalia. There was no confirmation that the Air Force had killed either of the al-Qaida targets.

Ray · 01-09-2007, 13:31 PM

Somalia airstrike

The United States have launched at least two airstrikes against suspected terrorists in Somalia, thought to have been behind attacks on American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania eight years ago.

An American air force AC-130 gunship conducted the strike, which targeted the senior Al Qaeda leader in east Africa, and an operative of the organisation wanted for his involvement in the 1998 bombings.

The aircraft, flew from its base in Djibouti to Ras Kamboni in southern Somalia for the attack.

The Somali President Abdullahi Yusuf said that the US was right to launch the airstrikes.

'The U.S. has a right to bombard terrorist suspects who attacked its embassies in Kenya and Tanzania,' he said.

Meanwhile, the US military said it had sent an aircraft carrier to join three other US warships conducting anti-terror operations off Somalia's coast.

http://www.skynews.com.au/story.asp?id=148702

Dreadnought · 01-09-2007, 13:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray

Somalia airstrike

The United States have launched at least two airstrikes against suspected terrorists in Somalia, thought to have been behind attacks on American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania eight years ago.

An American air force AC-130 gunship conducted the strike, which targeted the senior Al Qaeda leader in east Africa, and an operative of the organisation wanted for his involvement in the 1998 bombings.

The aircraft, flew from its base in Djibouti to Ras Kamboni in southern Somalia for the attack.

The Somali President Abdullahi Yusuf said that the US was right to launch the airstrikes.

'The U.S. has a right to bombard terrorist suspects who attacked its embassies in Kenya and Tanzania,' he said.

Meanwhile, the US military said it had sent an aircraft carrier to join three other US warships conducting anti-terror operations off Somalia's coast.

http://www.skynews.com.au/story.asp?id=148702

Shhhhhhhhhhhh Ray, Sir remember its a Naval blockade you are reporting on...

xrough · 01-10-2007, 00:22 AM

I wish they could also do that to the ASF/JI in the Philippines.lol

Ray · 01-13-2007, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

Shhhhhhhhhhhh Ray, Sir remember its a Naval blockade you are reporting on...

OK.

Here is something that is beyond the air strike!

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U.S. Troops Went Into Somalia After Raid
No Top Targets Confirmed Dead

By Stephanie McCrummen
Washington Post Foreign Service
Friday, January 12, 2007; Page A01

NAIROBI, Jan. 11 -- A small team of American military personnel entered southern Somalia to try to determine exactly who was killed in a U.S. airstrike Monday that targeted suspected al-Qaeda figures thought to be hiding in swampy mangrove forests along the Indian Ocean, U.S. sources said Thursday.

So far, "no one can confirm a high-value target" among the dead, said one U.S. source, who spoke on condition of anonymity. But items recovered at the strike site -- a piece of bloody clothing and a document -- indicated that Aden Ayrow, head of the military arm of the deposed Islamic Courts movement, had been at the scene.

More at:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...011102329.html

Ray · 01-13-2007, 12:59 PM

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Eritrea warns of 'consequences' for US

Asmara, Eritrea
12 January 2007 11:22

Eritrea warned the United States on Friday that its involvement in Somalia would "incur dangerous consequences" following a US air strike in the Horn of Africa nation targeting al-Qaeda suspects.

Eritrea has, in a matter of years, gone from being a US ally to one of its staunchest opponents, analysts say, because of what Asmara perceives as Washington's support for rival Ethiopia in a long-standing border dispute.

http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx..._news__africa/

So, even a country that is hard to identify on the world map is threatening the USA!

The world has really been turned on its head!

01-08-2007, 21:20 PM	#25 (permalink)
astralis *Foreign Service* Moderator Lei Feng Protege Join Date: 08-23-05 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 2,944 Country:	well, looks like ray was spot on, as usual! ----- http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070109/...f/us_somalia_1 U.S. strike targets al-Qaida in Somalia 8 minutes ago WASHINGTON - The U.S. military launched a strike Monday against several suspected members of al-Qaida in Somalia, CBS News reported Monday. ADVERTISEMENT The targets, CBS reported, included the senior al-Qaida leader in East Africa and an al-Qaida operative wanted for his involvement in the 1998 bombings of the American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. Citing Pentagon sources, CBS reported that an Air Force AC-130 gunship led the attack against the site at the southern tip of Somalia. There was no confirmation that the Air Force had killed either of the al-Qaida targets. __________________ Never let the future disturb you. You will meet it, if you have to, with the same weapons of reason which today arm you against the present. -Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

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Ray Postmaster General *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-20-03 Posts: 26,144 Country:	Eritrea does not have a common border, but they have their finger in the pie!

01-09-2007, 13:31 PM	#26 (permalink)
Ray Postmaster General *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-20-03 Posts: 26,144 Country:	Somalia airstrike The United States have launched at least two airstrikes against suspected terrorists in Somalia, thought to have been behind attacks on American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania eight years ago. An American air force AC-130 gunship conducted the strike, which targeted the senior Al Qaeda leader in east Africa, and an operative of the organisation wanted for his involvement in the 1998 bombings. The aircraft, flew from its base in Djibouti to Ras Kamboni in southern Somalia for the attack. The Somali President Abdullahi Yusuf said that the US was right to launch the airstrikes. 'The U.S. has a right to bombard terrorist suspects who attacked its embassies in Kenya and Tanzania,' he said. Meanwhile, the US military said it had sent an aircraft carrier to join three other US warships conducting anti-terror operations off Somalia's coast. http://www.skynews.com.au/story.asp?id=148702

01-10-2007, 00:22 AM	#28 (permalink)
xrough Contributor Join Date: 01-08-07 Location: Manila Posts: 746 Country:	I wish they could also do that to the ASF/JI in the Philippines.lol

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