pin_qinghai

Dear Francois,

One of the reasons I wrote that long commentary is that I myself feel uncomfortable when I read wrangryguy’s comments. wrangryguy and a young group of people like him are not mature. Their emotional words don’t represent the Chinese government policy. Making friends with its neighbors is the Chinese government policy. There was a bitter history between China and Japan from Sino-Japanese War of 1894-95 to WWII. The China’s defeat in Sino-Japanese War of 1894-95 stopped first Chinese attempt on western style modernization. In order to let Japan withdraw its army from China, Qing dynasty give Japan huge compensation. The looting plus compensation equals 7 years of Japanese government annul income. They also forced Qing dynasty to ceded Taiwan and the Pescadores to Japan. In WWII, estimates of 30 millions of Chinese were killed by Japanese. Japanese army committed Nanking Massacre (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre). My father told me their arduous journey of his parents brought them to flee west to avoid Japanese atrocity. So you can understand why Chinese people is so angry to the Japanese PM Koizumi's repeated visits to the Yasukuni Shrine, where 14 class-A war criminals in WWII are honored along with Japan's war dead. It indicates that Japanese government does not feel sorry or does not care for the atrocity their empire army committed to the Asian people including Chinese people. For such an unresponsive Japanese government, I strongly oppose its attempts of becoming a UNSC permanent member and Chinese government has determined to use veto power to block it. Thinking about it, if German PM make repeat visit to some place that honors Adolf Hitler and other Nazi war criminals, what will other European people feel. Also, I don’t think that is fair for the general Douglas MacArthur to give immunity to Emperor Hirohito and retained him as emperor. All documents show that he directly involved in all invasion planning including Pearl Harbor.

I think that a tall Caucasian guy got insult in China is a very rare event. Are you sure that it is not someone making joke with you? Of course, it is not ok to insult anyone. I thought that racism is really not a Chinese problem; it is more an American problem. I think that you perceived their nationalism comments as racist.

pin_qinghai

Dear Wrangry,

I respect your courage, but not your emotional comments, which will not do any good for China and for your dream of reunification. Chinese is peace loving people who don’t want any more fight unless imposed by others. For the bitter history, we should forgive but not forget. Study hard, work hard and research the history why all those bitter history has happened. Can we avoid the history to repeat itself? We should not stay in the shadow of our past and need to go forward. In the past, we also had long history of bullying our small neighbors. We should forgive and hope to be forgiven. I worked in Japan for 2 years and later visited it several times. Ordinary Japanese people are not much different from you. The wars carried out by its government also brought terrible punishment to ordinary Japanese people. They are the only one who was bombed by nukes in the world. Also, too much nationalism is not good for China either. Be a reasonable, forgiving, tolerant, humble man, you will gain more respect for China. But I am glad that China is still having someone as brave as you. I am sure that you will make great contribution to your motherland.

Jay

Same here, over all a good read, but I dont necessarily agree with all your view points.

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Jay

Times have changed, do we still talk about the equal rights campaign in America?
What did we do to Israel?
Sure all this hoopla of Asian super power status for China and India is just a PR bs. Our countries need a lot more to acheive to get there. Some times I would just look at the US, while I'm awfully proud of the way things work, on the back of the mind I try to think when this would happen in India.

zraver

Pin, I admire China and the Chinese people, I just detest communist in any flavor.

Francois

Pin, thank you.

I know pretty well Japan history myself.
You have to absorb that war is wear, and you can't do one without killing ppl.
China lost several wars, against western and Japan.
I don't buy the "Americans are only making wars like gentlemen" thing.
And my newspaper is proving me the opposite every day.
They had nothing to be proud of, even compared to Japanese exactions in China.

There are several phenomena "explaining" the reasons of abuses, ranging from superior's complex after a battle or war winning, to the fear and each instant threat by resistants.
Ever heard of Oradour sur Glane? Had some family there.

Now, Japan has paid huge money to China and Koreas since the end of the war. As reparation. You can't deny that, can you?
I don't think everything is sky blue in Japan.

I have pretty good chinese (quiet a few I may say) friends.
But ppl like Wrangy and other sames guys roaming their hate over the net and boards are just making me dislike (to say the least) the whole thing.
He (they) just confirm my feelings that China is only willing to dominate and enslave the whole world, seen inferior through there Han(漢)'s eyes.

globaltracker

i See no one has addressed the tibet occupying issue. China has illegally occupied a country and talking of truth and justice on taiwan issue and many more.

astralis

lol, and the US is illegally occupying hawaii, as well.

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wangrui961

I come here to improve my English, my English in not good so that I can't express myself well. And I am busy with my exam , so some time I release my emotions and give some extream viewpoints.
In fact I am not a creazy man, I am just a sutudent who is busy with his studing .
Don't worry about Chinese young men , we can control ourselvs well , and you will see China becoming greater and greater by the hard work of us.
You are a good man who want to get along well with the west countries ,but I should tell you , be powerful and we can get along well with them , or be slaved by them . Even if we give up the communism ,they wil not respect us as now. They respect power ,but not peace.
If they debate with me in Chinese ,they will find the real "wangrui".

joey2

pin whoa nice article really really nice Article .
I liked it and we indians need to follow chinese agricultural system and certain reforms as well.

There should be a balance between everything.

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So, by your logic... I should be taking up arms and attmepting to 'destory' the British people for treading on my Irish ancestors? Or perhaps I should take out some of my stored up rage on Germany, because I am partly descended from German Jews?
You werent even alive when world war two happened were you?
Do you have even the vaguest idea of the level of economic interdependency you have with Japan? Do you have even the vaguest idea of how impossible it would be for the PLA to 'destroy' Japan now, in 10 years time, or even in 25 years time?
Do you understand that Japan is NEVER going to do that kind of crap again, because, simply put, there is no reason for them, of any kind, to try, even if they were in a position to do so? Do you understand that your government DOES NOT GIVE A FK what happened 50 years ago? Do you get how they only want to bring about economic developement? Do you understand how stupid it would be for them to be declaring wars on major nations based on aging grudges, when they are trying to make money, not spend it?

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-{SpoonmaN}-

So I guess the female textile workers, who don't get to 'refuse to be slaves' don't count? Take a step back, drop the rhetoric, because people in just about every country get waaay to caught up in this nationalist bullcrap, and look at things from a bit of broader perspective man, please.

pin_qinghai

Jay, Joey, Thanks,

I am glad that you enjoy the article.


zraver, Thanks,

I think that I can understand your feeling. At this moment for China, a bad (not so good) CCP government is better than anarchy. I also hope that CCP can fade out as soon as possible without coming into anarchy situation.

pin_qinghai

Francois, Thanks,

Extreme idea is in direct conflict with traditional Chinese culture, the Confucius teaching (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confucius). China adopted European/Russia born communist that teaches aggressive idea.

There is not such thing that “China is only willing to dominate and enslave the whole world, seen inferior through there Han(漢)'s eyes.” Most Chinese know their position in the world. We have a movement that calls for improving the “spirit civilization” that constantly checks the spirit civilization lag of Chinese people from people in other countries.

As for reparation, both KMT and CCP government have given up the government reparation. But Japanese government using ODA projects give China some aids. The direct aid is around 100 million dollar a year from 1972 to 2004 or 2005 if I remembered correctly. The rest is in the form of governmental loan. Last year or early this year, Japanese government stopped government loan to China because of the tension between each other. But they reopened the loan before the relation is even improved. For the direct aid, I can not say it is huge comparing to the damage they caused to China that was estimated as around $ 500 billion at that time. Anyway, we should think Japan for this aid, because they don’t even need to do it. The government loan is really benefiting both sides. That is way they open the loan again before the relation is even improved. China returned all Japanese government loans on time. But many other countries did not.

Beside government reparation, German government paid civil reparation to certain type of war victims. Japanese government did not pay civil reparation and even denied all the government responsibility in their army and militia’s atrocities.

But most important thing is that German government did not set up a place to honors Adolf Hitler and other Nazi war criminals and Japanese government did set up a place to honors Adolf Hitler and Nazi war criminals like war criminals.

Chinese is forgiving people. We forgive and don’t forget the atrocity of Japanese army. We had Sino-Japanese friendship from 1972 to early 2000s. In fact, Japanese secretly put those war criminals in Yasukuni Shrine in late 1970s. It was not publicly known until late 1980s. There were some Japanese PM visited Yasukuni Shrine before but privately. China and Korea protested those visits in low profile in order not to damage the relation with Japan. When the irresponsible Japanese PM Koizumi made repeat official visits and want to apply for UNSC permanent member, China increased protest. China put the condition, if he stops to visit Yasukuni Shrine, we can immediately improve the relation. But Japan refused.

The visit of Japanese PM to Yasukuni Shrine that honors war criminal who committed atrocity to Chinese and other Asian people is an insult to Chinese and other Asian people. It shows that Japanese PM does not want to be forgiven. Chinese people feel the insult and will protest.

If today, German PM honors Adolf Hitler and other Nazi war criminals, I believe that European people and most American people will feel the insult and protest.

Francois, I hope that you can understand our feelings toward Japanese government here. We are the victims. We want to forgive. But they don’t need our forgiving. They want to insult us again and again. We don’t even ask for justice. We just ask for no new repeat insults. If justice can be severed, the Japanese war time emperor should be put into trail. He is a criminal!

If you visit Japan, sometime you can see those extreme right-wings droving black van with loud amplifier to ask for destroying this country or destroying that country. Japanese has their extremists.

It is my first time to hear Oradour sur Glane. I heard Meli massacre in Vietnam. In any excuse, killing civilians is crime. But justice never really served in these accidents. Our world really does not have much justice.


Pleases see the disgust picture that happens every 8/15 in Yasukuni Shrine:

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pin_qinghai

Sorry, I don't know how to put pictures in the article.