otomik

Simona Torrettai



Simona Pari

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3635304.stm
http://www.repubblica.it/video/2004/09/07/01.html

Ray

This hostage business is lucrative.

I don't think that there is much of a religious connotation though a cloak of 'respectability' is being used by the hostage takers by using the name of Islam and Iraq.

Awful idiots.

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"Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

HAKUNA MATATA

smilingassassin

We can only hope and pray that these two lovely ladies don't suffer the same fate as others like Nik Berg and Paul Johnson.

This hostage nonsence needs to be delt with, and yet the world is so devided between those who want to stand and fight and those who wish to cower in fear and apease terrorists.

Muslim clerics resort to words alone instead of calling on Muslims to route out terrorists defiling their religion. Left leaning politicians sease the moment and denounce war efforts for their own selfish goals. Assinine baseball players with uninformed opinions, inocent of the horrors being commited every day by these terrorist skum, make claims that the war is stupid.

In our cushy little living rooms we take for granted out freedom of speach and freedom to do whatever the hell we want, and when push comes to shove we get an unpleasant surprize.

9/11 should have been a wakeup call for us, but instead mankind is sinking deeper into the abyss. Do nothing and you get zero results.

Anony

If you are fit for military service, why not go to Iraq ?

Confed999

Why don't you? Where is Egypt in all this? Do they support Saddam, or the people of Iraq? Do the Iraqis not deserve, at the least, the level of freedom afforded in Egypt? Why not help them to acheve this by your own example? Before you get mad, understand, I feel this way about the US in alot of places as well.

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No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack
I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry

Anony

I will join the army after graduation from university. Its conscript if you didn't know that. However Egypt did not invade another country illegaly.

He was implying everyone needs to do whatever he can, so maybe he should join the army and stop the hostage takers. "Do nothing and you get zero results." Especially if he as an avid supporter of the war

Egypt was heavily involved in the 1990 gulf war.
The people support the Iraqi people and not the American invasion.
Iraqis deserve as much freedom as anyone else on this planet.

Everyone has the right to feel what he wants.

otomik

there are some reports now that they have been beheaded
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3683022.stm

Ray

Islam is so compassionate and full of love

Maybe I am wrong. Do I hear that these guys are not Moslem? No, Moslems are compassionate and loving. They never harm a hair of an individual. They just wipe out a civilsation?

Confed999

Neither did the USA.
They are one in the same now, whether you approve of their liberation or not.
Then why isn't Egypt helping them achieve that?
I hope they are false reports. Saddest part is the Iraqis are being killed by these same dirt balls, by people claiming to support them, by people calling themselves "freedom fighters".

Anony

No WMDs has been found, which was the reason America invaded Iraq. Where are the weapons ? There wasnt support for this invasion like the one in 1990. It wasn't a U.N backed invasion but an American and British one.

Do you call replacing one dictatorship with a foreign invasion liberation ? Iraq will becomes like Saudi Arabia soon, another puppet government with U.S. bases in it. I do not call this liberation. America should liberate african countries if their intentions are really as clean as you claim.
Where there is occupation, there will always be resistance, thats a fact. No one wants to be under any other country's control.

Its really illogical to ask ME why isn't Egypt helping. So I will just ignore that.

Anony

Ray do you feel right about sarcastically trashing a religion you don't know alot about?

Confed999

Good question. Where are the weapons all of our governments, and his, and the UN, claimed he had?
Not the only one. There were many reasons, as you will find if you keep reading threads on this board.
So? That means exactly nothing. My question is, if the muslim/arab world actually cared about the people of Iraq, why didn't they do this instead? And where are they now. It's ok to leave them in slavery, as long as you get to blame the US?
A foreign invasion that includes free elections and a constitution, yes.
Ahhhh, yes, because we can all see how SA's government does exactly what the US government wants.
Yep, all the US needs is the help, and not attacks when they finnaly do something. Africa should be liberating Africa too. Those verbal, physical, and economic attacks are why virtually no countries are liberating anyone, and why the tyrats exist in the first place.
When have I ever indicated the government's intentions were "clean"? Their intent is not the question, as all intentions are represented within our system. There are 300 million of us, all with different opinions, and every one counts, good and bad. The question now is, why do only a few countries support the Iraqi's freedom? Without support they are going to end up like Iran and Saudi Arabia, a people stuck under another murderous government, or worse. If the American government gets discouraged, God help the Middle East, they'll pull back and leave 'em to it. Personally I want people to have a real chance at freedom, that's why I support the removal of any tyranical government, regardless of the intentional cleanliness. I do not support a withdrawl, but I am just one voice in 300 million.
You live there, I don't, who else would have insight into the refusal to help the Iraqi people? I wonder how many of these head chopping "freedom fighters", people that have killed far more Iraqis than Americans, virtually all civilians, are actually supported in Egypt. (Note, that last sentence was a statement, and not a question.)

Officer of Engineers

Excuse me, Confed, but Eygptians have far less say in gov't policy than we do.

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Confed999

I know. Very few countries have near as much say as we do.

smilingassassin

Check in Syria, just because we haven't found them lieing arround in plain veiw dosn't mean the never existed. Saddams used them before , its incredibly likely he still had them untill a few months before the war.

Yes true, and if the U.S. went into the Sudan tommorrow without a UN resolution, with your reasoning that intervention would be elligal too...
Just what is the UN doing about the Sudan? Same thing they did with Iraq, talk the talk (badly) and not walk the walk.

Yep....

Perhaps France and Germany should pull their weight instead of an overstretched U.S. hmmmmm? what a novel idea! Such moralistic countrys they are!

Neither do saddams crony's either, they'd like nothing more than to see the Americans leave Iraq as soon as possible to resume their killing and raping of their country. Al-Q's cronys are also fond of the Americans leaving, helping Saddams party regain their strangle hold on Iraq would insure they get help from Iraq. These are the bulk of your vaunted resistance group, terrorists, murderers, rapists and thugs, such a merry band of brothers!