1lonesoldier

I don't know. I've always had this little nagging voice in the back of my head reminding me of a news story about how North Korea has WOMD. Bush thinks Iraq had WOMD, but they know now that they don't (I'm sure I saw that on the news, too. Correct me if I'm mistaken).

So, that puts us in quite a predicament now, doesn't it? We're still in Iraq, although there aren't that many legitimate reasons to be while there are reasons to at least be worried about N. Korea. 1) They're Communist. Doesn't that say enough? 2) They stated that they have WOMD.

Now, I'm not saying launch another war the way Bush did with Iraq. What should be done is one of two things. 1) We try to make peace with N. Korea. Obviously we don't want to be an enemy of the country, because they have the power to destroy us, and more. If we make peace, we might have more influence on the way they think and work, and we'd have a better chance of peace, as well as ending their Communism. Yes, I know that the USA as a whole pretty much hates Communism, but we need to try and extend our power and influence beyond the boarders of North America. If we use our resources correctly, we may end up with more territory, meaning that we have more influence overseas without invading other, weaker third-world countries (which we seem to be very good at by now). It's kind of like what most other powerful countries do - like France. They've got France, but then they also have islands around Central America and Africa, and they have countries in Africa and South America. They might not be as large and powerful as the USA, but they're thinking.

Now, for the second idea, which isn't exactly the best, but it's our best bet if #1 won't work. We basically redo what Reagan did and convince Korea to end its Communism. I mean, heck, if we could have that devestating of an effect on a country as big and powerful as Russia, we should be able to have a pretty good effect on an area like Korea.

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Asim Aquil

North Korea won't use its nukes against America or even the south. It's a 'Mutually assured destruction' scenario. So I doubt it ever will. Unless, of course, war in enthrusted upon them. Now, they won't come looking for a fight conventionally either.

Nuke tech is about 50 yrs old. It's better people started accepting new nuclear powers. A nuke would attract another. So people just won't ever use them. Heck nukes might even help bring an end to war. The US is under threat under the current circumstances. Make peace, help them build safegaurds, show them around the club, be nice, they'll be nice.... a happy gay family.

Confed999

Tell me somebody who didn't? France and Russia said he had them, and they were in bed with Saddam. Blame Bush if you want, but the intel didn't come from him, it came from the world for well over a decade.
A few, not many, no stockpiles. Equipment they weren't supposed to have was found. Still, without cooperation there was no way to tell this, and Saddam would never have cooperated.
You have a problem with us not doing in Iraq what we allready did in Korea? Containment is a stupid policy, it makes things worse and kills more people than war. There is one major reason to be in Iraq, Saddam broke his cease fire agreement and failed to comply with UN sanction. I can give you dozens more reasons as well.
Tyrants are tyrants, doesn't matter what political system they claim to practice.
Saddam has been talking about his for decades. His defenceive set up gave the impression he was prepared to use chemical weapons.
No deals with bad guys. KJI is commiting extortion. KJI is a tyrant and making deals with him makes us dirty too. Wasn't it a "peace" deal that gave them the tech to build nukes.
No way to deliver them. They do have the power to devistate South Korea, but they will likely be destroyed in return.
What? I must not understand. Are you saying that France has more influence in the world than the USA? A Frenchman would laugh at that one. Just the economic influnce, let alone the military and political influence, dwarfs France.
That's what we're doing now. It's a system that only works if the bad guys aren't completely insane though. I'm not sure Kim is only partialy insane.

BTW, I support regime change in NK, just as I did in Iraq, just as I do through much of the ME and Asia, but it has nothing to do with WMD.

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1lonesoldier

1) No, I'm not saying that France has more influence (obviously, since lots of people hate them for not getting involved in the Iraq War). I'm saying that they have some good ideas. If we did have areas outside of N. America, then we'd probably have more influence on other countries. What's the last country we made a big difference in? (Don't say Iraq and don't say Russia - I know about them already, and from what I understand, the effect was not all that positive.) In fact, I'll take this time to show you a quote from another board I'm on to prove a few points.

Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 11:15 pm Post subject: The territory of Russia 'd be shared among other countries! Posted By Yos Nevinovich
$80 Billion Board

Alright, so this proves a couple of things. 1) The Russians aren't entirely happy with their new government. Obviously, they don't miss the tyranny, but the oppression they face from The Kremlin isn't all that much better than what they used to face. A country that we think we saved completely that we might have ended up screwing up even more. 2) The Russians aren't entirely happy with all of the land. Nevinovich even says that he thinks that if other countries (including the USA) would peacefully take and use some of the land, it would be in the best interest of Russia.

Well, say what you like. Obviously, Confed999, you aren't my biggest fan (taking what you said here), but I must make one point: We agree on something!

2) You said that you support regime change in Korea and other ME and Asian countries. So do I. Maybe not for the exact same reasons, but in the long run, we both want to end up at the same goal: NWO, or at least New Eastern Order. Maybe not a Democracy, but who said that Democracy is the best government? Hopefully, though, we'll find common ground with these countries and maybe we can influence them without 'spreading our boundaries'.

Oh, and, BTW, I said it was an idea.

Confed999

What is France actually doing that the US isn't doing as much, or more? We don't take colonies anymore, no matter how much the Bush haters say we do. No profit in colonies anymore, everyone knows it, everyone is trying to get rid of theirs. BTW, you don't need to use bold letters, I can understand you.
If the US hic-ups it affects the rest of the world. What country haven't we made a difference in? What I want to know is how do we make more of a difference faster?

KOREAN WAR 1950-1953: North Korea invaded the South in March 1950 and the United States led a 16-nation UN force against the North and its Chinese allies. An armistice was declared in March 1953. Among the estimated one million civilian and military dead were about 35,000 Americans.
SUEZ 1956: After the Franco-British occupation of the Suez Canal, the US Sixth Fleet evacuated 2,500 Americans living in the zone and then forced the withdrawal of the French-British-Israeli coalition from the canal zone.
LEBANON, July 15 1958: 3,200 US marines arrive on the Lebanese beaches to "protect American lives and help the Lebanese government" during a Syrian-aided revolt.
CUBA 'Bay of Pigs', April 17, 1961: An invasion organised by the Central Intelligence Agency in a bid to lead a revolt against Cuban leader Fidel Castro is an embarrassing disaster. Almost all the 1,500 US commandos were killed.
VIETNAM 1961-1975: The United States put up to 550,000 troops in Vietnam at any one time during the war against the communist North Vietnamese army. The Americans lost 55,000 troops. The US withdrawal led to the communist victory.
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC, April-September 1965: About 30,000 marines and parachutists landed in the Caribbean republic to guard against the "communist threat." The United States had occupied the state from 1916 to 1924.
LEBANON, October-December 1983: After an attack on US military headquarters in Beirut which left 239 soldiers dead, the US army bombarded several Syrian positions in Lebanon.
GRENADA 1983: About 1,900 US troops parachuted into Grenada on October 25 after the prime minister was assassinated in a left wing coup. The action was requested by a Caribbean regional grouping.
PANAMA 1989: The US army stages an invasion codenamed "Operation Just Cause", officially to protect Americans in the country, but which ended the rule of Panamanian strongman Manuel Antonio Noriega who is now in a US jail on drug-linked money laundering charges.
GULF WAR 1991: "Operation Desert Storm" was the name of the UN-approved action started on January 17 to force Iraq out of Kuwait, which it had invaded five months earlier. More than 500,000 US troops took part. On February 28, Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein accepted all UN resolutions on Kuwait and disarmament and a ceasefire was ordered. US and British forces have since staged strikes on military targets and patrolled "no-fly" zones in the north and south of Iraq.
SOMALIA 1992-1993: With civil war and famine ravaging the East African country, "Operation Restore Hope" in December 1992 aimed to bring aid to humanitarian groups. But in October 1993 18 Special Forces troops were killed in a battle with factional forces. The US forces withdrew in March 1994. US forces briefly retook Mogadishu in February 1995 to cover the withdrawal of 8,000 UN forces.
HAITI 1994: US troops landed in Haiti on September 19 to secure the return of President Jean Bertrand Aristide, who had been overthrown by the army in 1991 and forced into exile. At the end of July, the United Nations had approved a military operation under US leadership in July.
KOSOVO, March-June 1999. Working under NATO auspices, US forces bombard the former Yugoslavia to force the withdrawal of Serb forces from Kosovo on June 20.
AFGHANISTAN, 2001: Operation Restore Freedom, launched by US and British-led forces on October 7 followed the September 11 attacks on New York and Washington and aimed to hunt al-Qaeda terrorist camps. It led to the downfall of the hardline Islamic Taliban regime which ran Afghanistan in December 2001.
There are still about 10,000 soldiers on Afghan territory.

And dozens and dozens more through humanitarian and economic assistance.
I don't believe the Russian government are on the good guys side. How do you peacefully take something?
I don't have a problem with you, I just think the views you've expressed here fail to take alot into consideration.
Only people who don't know what it really is. Thank God we don't have one, American views change with the wind.
Did you say you wanted to "have areas outside of N. America"? We don't do that. Where have we been 'spreading our boundaries' in the last 50 years?

1lonesoldier

Okay, okay. I get it. I only have one more problem - me and you are the only two who are really posting here anymore. We should probably continue with this stuff on AIM. Hopefully it'll work next time

Confed999

We're the only ones posting on this subject. The "was the war with Iraq justified" has been done to death, and most no longer post on the subject, I don't mind though. There are tons of info on here about it, and even links to video of these same terrorists cutting off the heads of people long before the Iraqi prison scandal. If you wish to know my political and social views, they are all posted here on this board.

Confed999

As to the topic of this thread; Yes, North Korea is a threat. Any place/country/person that holds it's own populace as hostages and slaves, is a threat to all mankind.

Ironduke

I think North Korea is a threat to its neighbors and US allies, but is not directly a threat to the US.

ChrisF202

How can one think North Korea is not a threat:

1) They are ruled by a madman who is worse then Saddam or even Stalin
2) They are agressive
3) They (like China) constantly threaten neighbors

Asim Aquil

Several countries are like that.

Confed999

And they are threats too.

Praxus

North Korea is a secondary matter, Iran is the problem.

1lonesoldier

Can somebody please tell me what's going on in Iran? I haven't been watching the news lately (nasty virus - sinus infection, vomiting, coughing, phlegm, you know, the whole deal), let alone that much at all, since it's mostly about murders in South Philly and whatnot.

They hold their own citizens as slaves? All the more reason to blow their asses up

nzkiwi

Hard to say if the North would ever use them, it would depend on a few things like who controlls them. I thinks a guy like the "Dear Leader" would probably use ( try to at least ) them if he felt he was going down he seems to be one of those leaders would would rather see the hole nation go down in flames if his controll was threatened.