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I'm not sure we've got the hint. During that ex, we've been saying it was for Taiwan. Now, looking back and further reading the 39GA's training, they may have been for Korea but it certainly was not publicized that way.

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Asim Aquil

More nations would go nuclear faster than America can attack them all. Nuclear weapons would just have to be accepted in the future. America's just going to help delay it, and that too not by much.

The only way anyone EVER taking the nuclear disarmament argument seriously is when someone gets up and says "Ok lets ALL disarm".

Similar case with Iran. Israel can nuke Iran, Iran should be able to nuke Israel. Arabs now want nukes too because of Israel.

You can nuke NK, so should NK be able to nuke you.

Officer of Engineers

The Chinese won't allow it.

Asim Aquil

China wouldn't physically stop it either nor will allow a US attack. It's main purpose of support to NK is to keep US and its allies away from China.

The Chinese objections to NK shouldn't be misunderstood to assume that the Chinese would turn their back on them any time soon. NK depended on China for 80% of its food and energy needs, so China could've easily flexed its muscle long ago to influence a desicion. Whatever's happening right now probably is going to be accepted by China in the long run.

Officer of Engineers

Are you in Antarctica? What the hell do you think the Chinese are doing? They've had enough and is closing down KJI's enterprises. His border criminal activities are being shut down one by one. His ringleaders are being arrested. Some even carrying NK diplomatic papers. They have not released NK funds and all NK warehouses in China are now in PAP hands.

And get this through your head. The NKs don't have a nuke. They have a dud.

Asim Aquil

so you think China is going to join hands and you both will attack NK now like one big happy family?

aaaaand how did the last talks end...?

Of course its a dud, so? Still a pretty big boom.

Hey I agree China's a little frustrated over North Korea being so uncontrollable but the reason its supported NK in the first place was to prevent war. I think there was way too much international condemnation of NK when it conducted the test. It would have been PR suicide if China still didn't get tough on NK.

zraver

China doe snot owe Kim anything, it like all natiosn will look out for itself. Kim has becoem a liability that could expose China to radioactive fallout, and criple 1-3 major trading partners (They may not like Japan but they like the Yen), and subject china to a flood of refugees.

So yes if push come sot shove working with the US to achive a solution to the Korean problem is not to far out in left feild.

Officer of Engineers

Who said anything about joining hands. This is a one China show.

And how fast did China replaced the border guards with PLA troops and shut the border tight? How fast did China cancelled three oil shipments? How fast did China demanded loans repayment? That's what happenned the last time.

For a nuke, it was a dud, not worth the effort. They could have done better damage with thermobarics.

It was far more than that. The Chinese lost of Face is unrecoverable. They've sheltered the NKs from collapse and gone to bat to prevent harm to their country to the point of putting them under the Chinese nuclear umbrella and promising that they will guarantee their national sovereignty and then, this slap in their face.

No one is saving KJI now. The question is how to manage his removal but make no mistake, the Chinese have determined that he shall be removed.

YellowFever

I agree with the Colonel.

Both SKorea and Japan are huge trading partners with China.
If either of them are threatened, it would not be in China's best interest.

On the other hand, NKorea (more specifically, KJI) is nothing but a pain in the ass, despite the purpose it serves to the Chinese (that of being a buffer).

I think it's a matter of time before military actions are taken.

More likely it'll be a Chinese backed coup rather than a full scale invasion....

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Asim Aquil

I can see that happening if the opportunity is ever presented to China in their lap. But they'd not want the US near it in any case. NK has to continue to be a buffer state for the Chinese.

But still its a fluid situation. I won't agree with you in stating that, that is the only fate left for KJI.

zraver

And why exactly would China rather have a US nuclear responce on North Korea vs a joint operation to rmeove KJI?

xrough

It would be better for China to stay away in the NK's issue and convince NK's to disarm because if ever that US will do the final job, China is not ready yet to stop it.

Archer

Sir, the fact is that the NK serves as a good tool to keep SK, Japan in check. It also acts as a useful client state for other states like Pak, to receive tech from.

Strategic reasons make it a nice ally to have, even if it is a pain in the butt sometimes.

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Dreadnought

Finger pointing and gleening info sounds about on target.

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