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Old 11-09-2006, 11:58 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Over at CDF, we're discussing an PRC-NK war scenario and the question that keeps popping up is why ain't the Chinese invading?

The NKs are the source of NE China's criminal problems including counterfeit currency, drugs, gambling, extortion, gang wars, prostitution, and illegal arms. The NKs are doing more to hurt China than Noreiga did when he was Panama's dictator.

Is there the possibility that NK's nuclear program is actually aimed at China instead of the US?

As you said, "why ain't the Chinese invading?". Could Kim's paranoia be directed towards a possible Chinese invasion to remove him from power?
How would you stop an invasion by China?
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Old 11-09-2006, 15:31 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Hit the nail on the head.

Spot on!
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Old 11-09-2006, 15:33 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Was that supposed to make sense?
I think you have China Defense mixed up with Sino Defense.

China Defense was co-founded by the Colonel, and the membership consists of experts, professionals, and enthusiasts (watchers, I should clarify) of the Chinese military.

Sino Denfese is more of a hobbyist site. A lot of internet warriors instead of professionals.
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Isn't Sino Defence a Communist site?
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Old 11-09-2006, 17:50 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Isn't Sino Defence a Communist site?
If so, then they show an utter lack of professionalism.

It's not bad for a fan site though.
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Old 11-09-2006, 21:47 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Is there the possibility that NK's nuclear program is actually aimed at China instead of the US?
Real bad idea aiming a gun at the guy who's giving you water and bread.

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As you said, "why ain't the Chinese invading?". Could Kim's paranoia be directed towards a possible Chinese invasion to remove him from power?
There's a theory that the NK nuke was directed at blackmailing China into more aide. If the NKs return to 6 party talks, KJI was thinking that he would be rewarded.

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How would you stop an invasion by China?
There's no way to stop the Chinese if they're determined. The numbers ain't there unless they move troops from the DMZ.
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Old 11-09-2006, 22:08 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Sir, Over at CDF, we're discussing an PRC-NK war scenario and the question that keeps popping up is why ain't the Chinese invading? The NKs are the source of NE China's criminal problems including counterfeit currency, drugs, gambling, extortion, gang wars, prostitution, and illegal arms. The NKs are doing more to hurt China than Noreiga did when he was Panama's dictator.
They don't want to get stuck holding the bag?

NoKo's crap is bad enough, getting possibly stuck in NoKo trying to provide services/food/clothing and so forth is too much.

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Old 11-09-2006, 22:50 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I think you have China Defense mixed up with Sino Defense.

China Defense was co-founded by the Colonel, and the membership consists of experts, professionals, and enthusiasts (watchers, I should clarify) of the Chinese military.

Sino Denfese is more of a hobbyist site. A lot of internet warriors instead of professionals.
Am familiar with both. I was commenting on Tokyo Drifter's unprovoked attack on his betters.
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Real bad idea aiming a gun at the guy who's giving you water and bread.
Granted.



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There's a theory that the NK nuke was directed at blackmailing China into more aide. If the NKs return to 6 party talks, KJI was thinking that he would be rewarded.
It would follow KJI's type of "thinking".



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There's no way to stop the Chinese if they're determined. The numbers ain't there unless they move troops from the DMZ.
Which ain't gonna happen!

Which opens the door for nuclear blackmail.
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They don't want to get stuck holding the bag?
It would seemed so. The Chinese ain't the only ones who can collapse KJI. The South Koreans could do it. The Americans and the Japanese together could also do it (by cutting off NK banking links which would leave no way for Pakistan nor Iran to pay for NK missiles).

However, it is the Chinese who would suffer the most from an NK collapse.

Now, the question is, what's the difference? Put a pro-China strongman in place of KJI, what would be the difference?
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Old 11-10-2006, 05:17 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Now, the question is, what's the difference? Put a pro-China strongman in place of KJI, what would be the difference?
The difference is that China can stop NK from being a Noreiga. China is ruthless to root NK's criminal gangs out and cull some of the senior leadership of NK.

A pro-China strongman would consider doing some economic moves mirroring Deng Xiaoping's moves in the early 1980s.
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I think you have China Defense mixed up with Sino Defense.

China Defense was co-founded by the Colonel, and the membership consists of experts, professionals, and enthusiasts (watchers, I should clarify) of the Chinese military.

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Which is why it's such a terrible site, OOE is one of the big idiots on the Net. It's funny the number of times this crazy canuck wth his KMT and TSU propaganda has been proven to be false by other posters on the worldaffairs site but rather than admitting to the nonsense he posts he tries to change the subject.
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And you're the stupid idiot who don't know squat. I stand by my posts. And you can go swim with the commies.
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OOE is one of the big idiots on the Net
Not the opinion held by a large majority on the Net though.

Are you a member of the Chinese Communist Party?

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Old 11-10-2006, 13:02 PM   #30 (permalink)
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And you're the stupid idiot who don't know squat. I stand by my posts. And you can go swim with the commies.
Japan ain't communist, its the TSU who should be ashamed of their ball-licking
http://www.jref.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19921
http://taiwansecurity.org/News/2005/TN-060405.htm
http://www.crisscross.com/jp/forum/f...05&viewType=tm
Bush says Taiwan separatists are "mosquitoes attacking an elephant"
maybe this cancuk can explain how the some of the folks in Taiwan miss their fomer masters
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