Ironduke

Anybody want to offer a view on how democratization would take hold in China? Perhaps first free elections from among CCP members, then a broader democratization later on?

wangrui961

1,China is not a democratic country.
2,Now democratization is not the most important thing to Chinese.Compare to get regards from all over the world and rise our live standards ,democratization means nothing.
3,China is not despotic dictatorship,Chinese can do everything excpt against CCP and our nation.
4,Democratization is a west word ,most Chinese don't care this.
5,China needs no democratization,democratization can't rise our living standards ,can't perish poors ,can't protect our embrassy from US bombs,can't get Taiwan back,can't give us reagards,can't do anythig !
6,In fact CCP is not a communist Party now ,just a hope of China ,of our nation.

astralis

wangrui,

except for number 1 and (half of) number 6, the rest of your post is idiotic. western words, huh. what does "san min zhu yi" mean to china and chinese (including taiwanese)? do you even know who said it? do you have any idea what it even states?

gps glonass

I'd like to see democracy in any part of Asia first

Thailand
military coup
king's family in controll for the last few hundred years

Pakistan
radical islamics killing, looting
military dicatorship under musharraf

India
widespread poverty
child slavery in India
assassination of political leaders
most women can't even write
don't welcome foreign outsiders into politcis
direct links to the brutal Nepali regime
cast system in India
huge problems with over-population
masses of people dying everytime a flood occurs

N.Korea
Brutal communist dicatorship
millions dying fo hunger while the military gets feed

wangrui961

And what can you tell me the democratization give China?
Each country has right to choose their way ,our way is not democratization.
"San min zhu yi " gave noting to China too .When we were under "San min zhu yi"(1927-1949),we lost 30 millions people in the war,lost outer Mogolor and we were callded "Esat Aisa sicker ", the forigners were God in china and we were their dogs."Sam min zhu yi " is a good ideal but not a useful one.

gunnut

I think China is doing the bottom-up approach. There will be limited elections for local (very local) mayors of small towns and villages. It will slowly move up to bigger and bigger towns, and then cities. Eventually, maybe, a national level election for important posts might happen in a few decades.

CCP is very shrewd. They learned from Germany and Russia about how to reform a command economy and they are doing a fantastic job. They have patience, which I find is absolutely necessary if you want to build (or rebuild) a nation, let alone a nation that size.

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gunnut

I'm sure WW2 had a little something to do with the huge loss of lives.

wangrui961

i meant that when we were under" San min zhu yi" ,China was so sick,or the huge loss would not happen.

gunnut

Are you saying if China had no democracy during that period, Japan would not have invaded to cause the huge loss of life?

wangrui961

No ,sir
i just meant the "san min zhu yi" didn't rise China ,but the CCP did.

Officer of Engineers

China didn't have democraczy. The Kuomantang ruling elite was Facist.

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gunnut

Wow, "sir!" No one has ever called me that. I am flattered.

CCP didn't do much to help China when they practiced a command economy. China's rise is thanks to CCP's careful control of limited capitalism. So in essence, capitalism did more to help China.

Here's the problem facing CCP. Capitalism will raise living standards of the people. With more stuff, people will demand more freedom. Freedom brings democracy. It's inevitable.

gunnut

My apologies, I misread his statement and thought he refered the warring years in China as being democratic.

astralis

wangrui,

you're confusing your history. the "sick man of east asia" and foreigners being treated on a pedestal was more emblematic of the late qing than the early "republican" period. by 1907, even the british had admitted that the days of relatively small numbers western troops landing in china and doing whatever they wished was over.

in any case, how well did jiang jieshi/chiang kai-shek follow the "san min zhu yi"? he took a nice big piss on all of it, that's what. mao followed the "san min zhu yi" better (at least in the beginning). that's why he did what jiang could not do.

wangrui961

Even most of CCP members(Me inculuded) don't think CCP as a communism party . social ideology is past. No one dreams to build socialism. Chinese just want to arise,not any social ideology. CCP is just a orgnizeation to rebuild China.