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Old 10-09-2006, 18:19 PM   #61 (permalink)
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Our tracking stations are in 200 km from the explosion.
While we have not fixed changes in a radioactive background.
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Old 10-09-2006, 18:33 PM   #62 (permalink)
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As much as I hate praising Chinese military aggression, I think the best way out of this by far is simply a Chinese invasion -- feels weird to say that lol.

I'm waiting for more information as the Colonel said as to what exactly happened. but regardless, China is obviously pissed off to high heaven and immedietly had a friendly meeting with the new Japanese prime minister, right before a summit between the South Korean and Japanese prime ministers also united in condemning the test. Nobody is happy about this in the region cept North Korea. I don't have a clue as to what's next.
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Old 10-09-2006, 20:33 PM   #63 (permalink)
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As much as I hate praising Chinese military aggression, I think the best way out of this by far is simply a Chinese invasion -- feels weird to say that lol.
Count that off!!! China wouldn't want to see Shenzen/Hong Kong going up in smoke. Moreover, what makes you think Chinese military would launch invasion when few months back they had been celebrating 45th anniversary of their friendship with NK?

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I'm waiting for more information as the Colonel said as to what exactly happened. but regardless, China is obviously pissed off to high heaven and immedietly had a friendly meeting with the new Japanese prime minister, right before a summit between the South Korean and Japanese prime ministers also united in condemning the test. Nobody is happy about this in the region cept North Korea. I don't have a clue as to what's next.
Chinese attempt of showing aggression is nothing more than an empty noise of a vessel. Infact, a nuclear armed North Korea is more useful for China since it would keep US forces away from Chinese Mainland border.
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Old 10-09-2006, 20:54 PM   #64 (permalink)
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Count that off!!! China wouldn't want to see Shenzen/Hong Kong going up in smoke. Moreover, what makes you think Chinese military would launch invasion when few months back they had been celebrating 45th anniversary of their friendship with NK?
There is no condition for a Chinese invasion. Above all else, the Chinese don't want North Koreans in Northern China. They want North Koreans to stay in North Korea. They preferred the North Koreans to do it themselves. But they have no qualms about doing the dirty work.

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Chinese attempt of showing aggression is nothing more than an empty noise of a vessel. Infact, a nuclear armed North Korea is more useful for China since it would keep US forces away from Chinese Mainland border.
Hardly! You don't know the headaches Kim is giving China. China fears Kim would open the refugee floodgates and a nuclear armed Kim means that he no longer fears the Chinese shutting his refugee flood gate.
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Also, a .5kt detonation is no hoax. That would still blow a hole in the DMZ more than a Km wide.
At this point, we don't know if that is straight HE or a failed nuke. If it's a failed nuke, it still should be something to worry about, since they've announced their intentions in no uncertain terms ... and they just may learn enough to solve their own problems.

If it's straight HE, ... frankly, I don't know what to think if it was straight HE.
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Old 10-09-2006, 20:57 PM   #66 (permalink)
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How effective are those new 4,000 lbs bunker busting bombers against reinforced underground structures? The concern seems to be that to achieve the level of saturation needed sortie numbers have to go up and exposing more planes to surface weaponry.
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Old 10-09-2006, 20:59 PM   #67 (permalink)
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Chinese attempt of showing aggression is nothing more than an empty noise of a vessel. Infact, a nuclear armed North Korea is more useful for China since it would keep US forces away from Chinese Mainland border.
exactly.... NK is just a Chinese proxy state; one which they can topple any time they wish....
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Old 10-09-2006, 21:03 PM   #68 (permalink)
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Triple, NorK can be easily overrun, probably with more casualties but they CAN still be overrun... but first Bush has to get his head out of the fake WoT and start responding to real threats...
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It's not Kim that the Chinese are worried about. It's the entire North Korean population living off Beijing's dollar that they're worried about.
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Old 10-09-2006, 21:28 PM   #70 (permalink)
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exactly.... NK is just a Chinese proxy state; one which they can topple any time they wish....
Beijin doesn't run the show in Pynyong, or the North Koreans wouldn't have tested their bomb. Now, they're going to have to deal with the potential of a nuclear Japan.
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Hardly! You don't know the headaches Kim is giving China. China fears Kim would open the refugee floodgates and a nuclear armed Kim means that he no longer fears the Chinese shutting his refugee flood gate.
Sir, Over here China has to make a choice whether they can live with Korean refugees or have US military rubbing sholders with PLA at border. I still believe China would settle for Mad man Kim Jong Il who has created a buffer between US & mainland China. This is the reason why China has been feeding Kim all this time & will keep doing so in future.
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Old 10-09-2006, 21:36 PM   #72 (permalink)
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At this point, we don't know if that is straight HE or a failed nuke. If it's a failed nuke, it still should be something to worry about, since they've announced their intentions in no uncertain terms ... and they just may learn enough to solve their own problems.

If it's straight HE, ... frankly, I don't know what to think if it was straight HE.
Sir, Russian have reported the test to be in the range of 10-15 KT. This would also depend on which way the seismic waves travelled considering that the test was carried out in a bunker under the mountains. It could be possible that the intensity of seismic waves was considerably reduced in a certain direction due to the resistance by hard rocks. But anyway, NK is now a nuclear powered state & saying that the test could be a failure would be a futile attempt of burying the head in the sand in the fear of apocalypse.
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No, the Chinese have two other choices.

A Chinese supported coup
A Chinese invasion to keep North Koreans in North Korea

The 2nd option has been spelled out in no uncertain terms to Kim. In any war with the South, North Koreans ain't moving south to their brothers. It's north away from the fighting.

To this end, the 38th and 39th Group Armies are tasked with the North Korean situation. They are the best armed and best trained of all PLA armies.
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Old 10-09-2006, 21:39 PM   #74 (permalink)
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In fact,most Chinese oppose Nk,s test,and you can see the voice of anger in Chinese webset(www.sohu.com).And Chinese ppls don,t wanna dedicate their life to a crazy north korea in where Chinese army once bravely kick American army off.
North Korean hate Chinese very much!They boast that they defeat America alone,and destroy the tombs of Chinese volunteer soldiers in order to distort the history,and cover the truth that Chinese save their country,and Chinese army defeat America alone.
I,m a young Chinese,and if American army attack Nk,i would rather to fight side by side with American and it,s allies.
I think there must be some soldiers,and do you tolerate Nk,s dirty behavior to defame Warrior who dead in the battlefield.
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Sir, Russian have reported the test to be in the range of 10-15 KT.
You noticed that they're the only ones stating that. Not even the Chinese are saying anything of the sort and the North Koreans told them 20 minutes before hand (who in turned told Seoul, Tokyo, and Washington).

As of right now, both South Korea and France states it's a half KT blast.
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