North Korea claims nuclear test - Page 4

kams · 10-09-2006, 14:37 PM

OOE that low yield? Are we even sure that it was Nuclear? not 1000 T of TNT explosion?

**Officer of Engineers** · 10-09-2006, 14:48 PM

Next 72 hours will tell

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From NORK DATA: It was a DUD

Of course, I want to see what the US IC says. If/when the test vents, we could have some radionuclide data—maybe in the next 72 hours or so.

glyn · 10-09-2006, 14:52 PM

Of course we have no idea of the physical size of this device. It could be huge, and probably is, in which case it will take time to 'weaponise' it so that it may be carried under an aircraft or fitted to a rocket.

Canmoore · 10-09-2006, 15:53 PM

I dont know what would be more humain for the N.K. civilian population. The people of N.K. are already living on the edge, sanctions would cause a massive humanitarian disaster, would a military strike at the N.K. government and military sites, similar to ODS be better? The N.K. military is far more dangerous than the Iraqi military was, but I think that sanctions would just be absolutely devastating to the innocent people of N.K.

tricky situation...

Taihang · 10-09-2006, 17:01 PM

CCP lost credibility to the world the moment NK gone nuke. US would lose credibility to Asia if not eliminating NK nuclear facility by force. The worst consequence would be a scenario everyone gets nukes in a few years of time, Iran, SK, Japan, Taiwan, Viet Nam, and so forth.

New world order at sight?

stone_cold · 10-09-2006, 17:12 PM

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Originally Posted by srirangan

Right on. North Korea, Pakistan, Iran etc. are nothing but Chinese proxies; just as the Hezbollah-Iran relation. You know the source of it all - mother China.

Exactly! Nuclear NK will keep Japan and SK in check, since only China can restrain NK. Weird pattern but all the nations that seek protection under China's wings, declare themselves nuclear power eventually.

highsea · 10-09-2006, 17:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Taihang

...The worst consequence would be a scenario everyone gets nukes in a few years of time, Iran, SK, Japan, Taiwan, Viet Nam, and so forth.

And that's exactly what's going to happen.

China was the only country that could have influenced NorK away from this path. They blew the chance.

Look for Japan to go nuclear next.

highsea · 10-09-2006, 17:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Taihang

...US would lose credibility to Asia if not eliminating NK nuclear facility by force.

It's not our problem. China has the most to lose, and South Korea and Japan.

I agree with M21 though, it's time to pull US forces out of South Korea and treat it purely as a nuclear standoff.

**Officer of Engineers** · 10-09-2006, 17:31 PM

I'm thinking this is all a bluff. We still have no official confirmation. The NKs have stated that there is no radioactive leakage (I hate to be the guy who checks out the bomb damage if they don't vent that place). They also stated that there is no need for another test. And the yield is way too low.

highsea · 10-09-2006, 17:48 PM

Colonel, it's odd that the Russians are the only ones claiming a larger yield based on seismic data. They are saying 5-15 KT.

If the 1/2KT number turns out to be real, then it's either a dud or a hoax, something we'll know soon enough.

If it turns out to be a dud, I'd hate to be the NorK scientist in charge.

If it was a nuke, then the ball is in China's court. If they don't want a nuclear Japan, they better be looking at regime change in NorK.

Anon · 10-09-2006, 17:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Tronic

It seems like you guys are again just going to wait by until even Iran also tests their nukes...

It certainly does.

G Bush is a fukking moron.

Anon · 10-09-2006, 18:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Canmoore

I dont know what would be more humain for the N.K. civilian population. The people of N.K. are already living on the edge, sanctions would cause a massive humanitarian disaster, would a military strike at the N.K. government and military sites, similar to ODS be better? The N.K. military is far more dangerous than the Iraqi military was, but I think that sanctions would just be absolutely devastating to the innocent people of N.K.

tricky situation...

I DO NOT GIVE A FUKK ABOUT THE PEOPLE OF THE DPRK.

So far as i'm concerned, let the road to Hell be paved with their starving corpses.

Anon · 10-09-2006, 18:01 PM

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Originally Posted by highsea

And that's exactly what's going to happen.

China was the only country that could have influenced NorK away from this path. They blew the chance.

Look for Japan to go nuclear next.

Bullspit, WE could've convinced them to abandon their program at the end of a gun barrel.

Also, a .5kt detonation is no hoax. That would still blow a hole in the DMZ more than a Km wide.

Anon · 10-09-2006, 18:07 PM

Apparently our 'beloved leader' is a MUCH bigger assclown than even i feared.

If i was in charge i'd be massing every single plane and ship we have off the coast of DPRK right now(actually, id have done it YEARS AGO, but i digress).

highsea · 10-09-2006, 18:16 PM

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Originally Posted by M21Sniper

Bullspit, WE could've convinced them to abandon their program at the end of a gun barrel.

I don't think South Korea would have supported that. And China certainly would have come down on Kim's side. IOW, it would have been war.

I don't think you can play a conventional card against a nuke card. IMO, the only way would have been to convince China that Japan was going to go nuclear if NorK did.

First and foremost, it's China's problem. They are the ones that have to deal with a nuclear peninsula, and radiation does not care about borders. They failed to prevent Kim from getting a nuke, so South Korea and Japan are within their rights of self defense to do the same.

Let's get our forces out of the line of fire, and MAD sort it out. The last thing China wants is a nuclear exchange on the Korean Peninsula.

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10-09-2006, 14:37 PM	#46 (permalink)
kams *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 07-22-06 Location: Piscatawy, NJ Posts: 1,431 Country:	OOE that low yield? Are we even sure that it was Nuclear? not 1000 T of TNT explosion?

10-09-2006, 14:52 PM	#48 (permalink)
glyn *Military Professional* Join Date: 09-15-06 Location: Penzance, Cornwall UK Posts: 6,537	Of course we have no idea of the physical size of this device. It could be huge, and probably is, in which case it will take time to 'weaponise' it so that it may be carried under an aircraft or fitted to a rocket.

10-09-2006, 15:53 PM	#49 (permalink)
Canmoore *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 05-18-06 Location: Canada Posts: 1,331 Country:	I dont know what would be more humain for the N.K. civilian population. The people of N.K. are already living on the edge, sanctions would cause a massive humanitarian disaster, would a military strike at the N.K. government and military sites, similar to ODS be better? The N.K. military is far more dangerous than the Iraqi military was, but I think that sanctions would just be absolutely devastating to the innocent people of N.K. tricky situation...

10-09-2006, 17:01 PM	#50 (permalink)
Taihang Regular Join Date: 09-24-06 Posts: 39	CCP lost credibility to the world the moment NK gone nuke. US would lose credibility to Asia if not eliminating NK nuclear facility by force. The worst consequence would be a scenario everyone gets nukes in a few years of time, Iran, SK, Japan, Taiwan, Viet Nam, and so forth. New world order at sight?

10-09-2006, 17:31 PM	#54 (permalink)
Officer of Engineers *Military Professional* Moderator Scotch taster Join Date: 08-06-03 Posts: 15,915 Country:	I'm thinking this is all a bluff. We still have no official confirmation. The NKs have stated that there is no radioactive leakage (I hate to be the guy who checks out the bomb damage if they don't vent that place). They also stated that there is no need for another test. And the yield is way too low.

10-09-2006, 17:48 PM	#55 (permalink)
highsea *Defense Professional* Join Date: 12-10-04 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 3,478	Colonel, it's odd that the Russians are the only ones claiming a larger yield based on seismic data. They are saying 5-15 KT. If the 1/2KT number turns out to be real, then it's either a dud or a hoax, something we'll know soon enough. If it turns out to be a dud, I'd hate to be the NorK scientist in charge. If it was a nuke, then the ball is in China's court. If they don't want a nuclear Japan, they better be looking at regime change in NorK.

10-09-2006, 18:07 PM	#59 (permalink)
Anon New Member Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 0	Apparently our 'beloved leader' is a MUCH bigger assclown than even i feared. If i was in charge i'd be massing every single plane and ship we have off the coast of DPRK right now(actually, id have done it YEARS AGO, but i digress).

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